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'We cannot breathe, the Patriarchate is dying,' says patriarch

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'We cannot breathe, the Patriarchate is dying,' says patriarch

Following criticism of his controversial statement to a U.S. television network describing his community’s problems, Greek Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew says his comments were emphasized, but the serious problem of opening Halki seminary needs to be addressed.

Criticized for telling U.S. network CBS that he felt “crucified in Turkey,” in an interview he told daily Milliyet, “We are without oxygen, the Patriarchate is dying.”

He said the interview with CBS was not planned and that the media had emphasized the crucifixion quote. He said this was a metaphor for detailing Greeks’ problems in Turkey, highlighted by the issue of the Halki seminary located on Heybeliada, one of Istanbul’s Princes’ Islands in Marmara Sea.

“What will we do, if we cannot raise men of the cloth? Our metropolitan bishops in Europe are over 70 years old. The ones here are 75 years old. Now, who will I nominate to this post,” said the patriarch, who will turn 70 this February. “Why should we nominate people to this post who were not raised in Turkey and educated on Heybeliada?” he asked.

“The seminary was open during Ottoman rule; [Mustafa Kemal] Atatürk [founder of Turkish Republic] did not close it down. But it was wrongly closed down in 1971, since it did not have university status but was a vocational school for higher education,” he said.

The patriarch said they were open to any formula to open Halki seminary again, saying, “Whether it will have the status of a school, university or anything else, we want to raise men of the cloth and the state should give this opportunity to us.”

Patriarch Bartholomew also said that Halki should be opened according to the Lausanne Treaty, which was signed July 24, 1923 between the Triple Entente from World War I and the newly established Turkish Republic.

“Minorities can open schools for giving religious education by covering the costs themselves, says the Lausanne Treaty. We had one and it is closed down, we don’t want [an additional] right, we want what Lausanne had given us,” he said.

The patriarch said although they had heard that there were ongoing discussions regarding Halki in Ankara, their opinions had not been asked. He said he talked to State Minister Egemen Bağış about the matter, and the latter told him to organize a commission and have discussions.

‘Deep State?’

Patriarch Bartholomew said the government was in favor of opening the Halki seminary but it still has not opened.

“I guess the deep state does not want it [open]. Hüseyin Çelik once said, ‘I would immediately open it if it was my decision only.’ Nimet Çubukçu also said ‘there is no legal barrier.’ Why is it not opened yet? It is stuck somewhere,” he said.

He said the issue has nothing to do with reciprocity, or giving rights to Turks living in western Thrace. “We are being held hostages for the Turks living in Cyprus and western Thrace, but we are Turkish citizens. And we want our rights as Turkish citizens,” he said.

The patriarch also complained that despite official freedom of worship in Turkey, his community has not remained in Turkey because of historical incidents in which Greeks were forced to leave the country, notably the incidents of Sept. 6-7, 1955 and other events in 1964. “We are now around 3,000 people living in Turkey,” he said.


 

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Guest - attila the hun
2009-12-28 05:46:51
  Fikret you are right, Turkey should open the Halki school asap and make every Greek living in Turkey proud citizen
 

Guest - ali
2009-12-25 22:24:34
  @ george, it seems you and some of other commentors are having problems accepting that they are TURKS living in Greece, you always try to say Muslim Minority. If I say the sun is not sun but Jupiter, or if I say 2 times 2 is equal to 3, does not everybody laugh at me? So all the Worls ıs laughing at you when you say they are Muslim minority. Come on frıends no necessıty to be such ıgnorant and ultranationalist. They wont lose theır Turkıshness when you say they are not Turkısh. And do not mix with apples and pears.
 

Guest - ali
2009-12-25 22:14:14
  @Chrysosgreek you are completely wrong. Do not dare to spread this kind of lies among reader. Are you in dream; if you are right, write the names we executed or exiled. We can bear everything, but not such a llie. Please. @Vural kardeşim, The Patriarch is our citizen, he is not the man to blame the situation in Western Thrace. If there is a problem, it is a complete political problem between two countries. The patriacrh has no responsibility on this as a religious leader. He does not govern Greece. Regards.
 

Guest - Gianni
2009-12-25 19:50:07
  I hope the Turkish Government allows the Patriarch to re-open the school. As for the Turks in Western Thrace, well, from what it seems to me, they didn't have it as bad as the Greeks in Istanbul, bc there were 150k greeks in Istanbul in 1955, but now there are only 4k, but the Turks are still high in number in Western Thrace. But, I do not doubt what they claim that they are treated/persecuted like a minority. Also, if Alexander the Great, was from FYROM, why did he spread Greek culture and not FYROMs culture?
 

Guest - Gianni
2009-12-25 19:49:18
  I hope the Turkish Government allows the Patriarch to re-open the school. As for the Turks in Western Thrace, well, from what it seems to me, they didn't have it as bad as the Greeks in Istanbul, bc there were 150k greeks in Istanbul in 1955, but now there are only 4k, but the Turks are still high in number in Western Thrace. But, I do not doubt what they claim that they are treated/persecuted like a minority. Also, if Alexander the Great, was from FYROM, why did he spread Greek culture and not FYROMs culture?
 

Guest - dr p
2009-12-25 15:38:42
  @vural korkmaz: the plight of greek citizens of turkish origin is signally irrelevant to this discussion of religious persecution of christian turkish citizens of a variety of ethnicities. greece's religious intolerance is not limited to muslims, as protestants face discrimination and harrassment and jews werre almost forced to have their religion posted on their id cards, making them targets of opportunity for islamist terrorists. greece's - or any other nation's - religious intolerance does not excuse turkey's persecution of its own taxpaying, law-abiding citizens who do their military service like their muslim fellow citizens.
 

Guest - Gregoire
2009-12-25 14:13:55
  Peace to all brothers and sisters. Bartholomew is a Turkish citizen, he is a vocal advocate of Turkey's EU membership, he is a world figure with enormous prestige and he has never meant to harm Turkey only to help it rise. He is not a spy, or agent or anything else, he is a religious leader with enormous clout. What he says is 'help' to the government, to the people of Turkey to the world. He holds one of the oldest offices in the world, one that is older than most countries in the world, one will illustrious predecessors, such that have formed what Christianity is like today. He has never tried to harm Turkey, he just wants a little help. And the help he needs is to be left alone to excercise his rights, use the property that his office holds, and be able to train successors. Its not a big deal. Its not Greece that asks that from Turkey, it is him and all the orthodox world with him (and that includes Greece, the US, etc). And as for reciprocity...there is little Turkey can ask for reciprocity between the Greek community in Turkey and the Turkish community in Greece...there is a populous Turkish community in Greece, but there is not much of a Greek community in Turkey. The Americans who live in Turkey are probably more than the Greeks...
 

Guest - Fikret
2009-12-25 10:43:57
  By Allah open it now, we are brothers and sisters with christians............
 

Guest - Cino
2009-12-25 10:41:32
  In the name of GOD (Allah) open the christians school now, show the world that Turkey is a democratic and a religious free country. Turkey is a very good land to live in.
 

Guest - george
2009-12-25 01:17:55
  The Patriarchate is right. Under the treaty of Lausanne 1923 there are meant to be an equal amount of Greeks in Turkey as there are Turks in Greece. Today there are 3.000 Greeks in Istanbul and over 150.000 Turkish speaking Moslems in Western Thrace. We did not do to the Turks what they did to us in 1955 and 1964. The Moslems in Thraki are Greek citizens with over 300 Mosques. Turkey should open up Agia Sophia for all Orthodox Christians to go there and pray. This grand Church (now a Museum) was build in 537. If Turkey opened Agia Sophia it would be a huge economic boost to its tourist industry. There are more than 250 Million Orthodox Christians worldwide.
 

Guest - Christoph
2009-12-24 21:57:35
  What an utter shame that a Christian leader can not educate his successor in Turkey. After all the rhetoric about freedom for minority religions we are left with the reality of Turkey unjustly persecuting Orthodox Christians. This is inexcusable.
 

Guest - ali
2009-12-24 21:48:08
  As a Turk, here is my opinion; The Patriarchate is 1700 years old, it is ours. It belongs to these soils in where we live peacifully. let us hear to this voice. It is time to open Halki Saminary and to recognize this chair as an ecumanical post. This post represents a spiritual title, not a political title. Turkey is a secular country, and every religion has right to be protected by the state. They are our cirizens, our brothers. We should not give other people's mouth such a shameful tool to blame Turkey.
 

Guest - NIKOS
2009-12-24 20:28:45
  Mr Bartholomews is right what he says. I was born and educated in Istanbul as a Greek Orthodox. I respected your reliegen. please respect mine I love you brothers. Thank you Nikos
 

Guest - Deniz Ozer
2009-12-24 19:53:27
  The Patriarch has never condemned real human rights violations such as the Greece's illegal denial of the idenity of the Turkish community in West Thrace, or why an entire nation (Turkish Cypriots) is forced to live under embargos.
 

Guest - Brian
2009-12-24 19:25:43
  When we hear the PM criticizing the Swiss for banning the building of the minarets, one must ask....Is Turkey really any different?
 

Guest - Chrysosgreek
2009-12-24 18:31:04
  In reality, history shows that 19 Orthodox patriarchs were hanged, imprisoned or sent into exile by Turkish authorities. Yet, for Davutoglu, the Turkish nation was built on religious intolerance, and the Turkish Republic is a secular state; a democracy based on the rule of law that does not judge its citizens based on their religious affiliation, a place where every citizen is equal.
 

Guest - Vural Korkmaz
2009-12-24 18:11:38
  If the Greek Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew thinks they "are without oxygen, the Patriarchate is dying", he should look at the ones who are being really suffocated in Greece for which he claims to be spiritual leader: http://www.diplomaticobserver.com/news_read.asp?id=2003 April 23, 2009 IT IS DIFFICULT TO BE A TURK IN GREECE! Western Thrace Turks have always experienced difficulties. The process from the establishment of the Republic of Turkey in 1923 to present day has been full of troubles. During tough times with the 1967 Colonels Junta, the Turkish minority gave a fight for their existence. Even there were times when Turks were banned to build or repair homes. There were unwritten rules as much as the written ones. For instance, the Western Thrace Turks making a living on agriculture had the right to buy tractors but could not get driver’s licenses. They have always been disadvantaged in education, culture, politics, and administration. Some of the Western Thracians who could not endure the pressures immigrated to Turkey, European countries, Australia or the USA. According to article 19 of the former Greek Citizenship Law, denationalized the immigrating Turks or ones travelling abroad. 20 years ago on January 29, 1988, Greece outlawed the “Gümülcine Turkish Youth Union”, “Turkish Teachers Association”, and “Iskeçe Turkish Union”. Because there were not Turks in Greece… The Turkish minority, against all challenges and violent actions, gathered in Gümülcine city center and protested the decision. With this event, January 29 became the symbol of “national resistance” for Western Thracian Turks. Since then, Western Thracian Turks have been celebrating January 29. On January 29, 1990, Western Thracian Turks celebrating the day were attacked by a group of fanatic Greeks. Hundreds of people were beaten and Turkish stores were attacked. January 29 was also celebrated this year. At least they attempted to celebrate it, because Turks were attacked once again. At the early hours of January 29, 2009 a petrol bomb was thrown in a street in Çayüstü region, that is mostly populated by Turks. No one died or was injured in the attack, Turks put out the fire. Vehicles did not explode. Western Thrace Turks do still not have the minority status. They cannot demand their rights. Pasok Party spokesperson Yorgos Papakonstantinu says: “There is one minority in Greece, and it is the Muslim minority”. Athens, just as it claims Macedonia is not Macedonia, is claiming that Turks are not Turks but “only Muslims”. On January 25, the cemetery in Musellim (Tekton) village of Iskeçe were attacked by the construction vehicles of the municipality. Historical gravestones were destroyed. 10 days before this sad incident, Greek parents in Gümülcine held a meeting and decided not to send their children to school under the pretext of crowded classes, hepatitis and many other issues. There are 150 Turkish and 80 Greek students attending that school! Another important issue is that, while Turkey is restoring Hagia Sophia, Ottman’s first and biggest mosque in the Balkans, Çelebi Sultan Mehmed Mosque in Dimetoka is in bad condition due to dilapidation….
 

Guest - d
2009-12-24 17:50:00
  Turkey, take heed and be careful how you treat these poeple. They have at least 300 million followers and this number can telescope very quickly to five times that in the event of harsh treatment. You could end up having a really rough time for many years. So be wise.
 

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