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Top general furious over coup claims, sends messages to gov't

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Turkish Chief of General Staff Gen. İlker Başbuğ. AFP photo

Turkish Chief of General Staff Gen. İlker Başbuğ. AFP photo

Repeating week-old military denials of a coup plot, Turkey's top general called the accusations "remorseless" in his first public statement.

Chief of General Staff Gen. İlker Başbuğ also complained of too much talk about the alleged coup plots and said, without directly referring to the government, “As the top commander of a very disturbed army, I have the right to ask who benefits most from this talk.”

“The patience of the Turkish Armed Forces has a limit,” Başbuğ said Monday in his speech to mark the occasion of the commemoration ceremony of Gen. Kazım Karabekir, one of the most important figures in Turkey’s Independence War.

Last week, daily Taraf published an alleged military plan called “Balyoz” (Sledgehammer) that was purportedly the basis for a military coup to be staged in 2003, right after the Islamic-rooted Justice and Development Party, or AKP, came to power. The Istanbul chief prosecutor launched a probe into the plan after receiving the original documents from the newspaper.

Members of the government strongly criticized senior military officers over the alleged plan, with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan calling on the army to accept the AKP and democracy.

“First of all, I want to underline one point: This [alleged] plan was [put together] seven years ago... many speculations were made about this plan. We are a serious institution. We are investigating all of them. But starting an investigation should not be interpreted as accepting the claims,” Başbuğ said.

“We are planning to give more information about the results of our investigation before the end of this week,” the general said.

Bombing house of Allah?

According to Başbuğ, the newspaper’s story included severe claims such as a plan to bomb mosques to provoke an uprising among the people that would create a suitable environment in which the army could stage a coup. “In the army, we train soldiers to shout ‘Allah Allah’ while attacking enemy forces. How could this army consider bombing the house of Allah?” the general said. “I curse those who make such claims. Our patience has a limit.”

The top general said the Turkish military is unique and said that comparing it with the armies of South American or Caucasus countries would be wrong.

Messages to government

In his lengthy speech, Başbuğ also gave some indirect messages to the government. “Being in the competent authority does not only provide you the right to complain,” the general said, referring to statements by government members complaining about alleged plots to topple the AKP. “Competent personalities have the responsibility to solve problems. ‘I just complain’ – no, there is no such thing.”

Noting that the military has been under an asymmetric attack for a long time, the top general said he had raised the issue with both Erdoğan and President Abdullah Gül. “I have expressed our views, thoughts and suggestions on this issue. It’s my right to observe how our suggestions would be met,” he said.

According to Başbuğ, the struggle against such attacks cannot be prevented solely through the military’s own efforts. “There are things that the state should also take into account,” he said.

Coups are over

Reiterating the military’s commitment to democracy and the rule of law, the top general said it had “full loyalty to the principle that the single way of changing the government is democratic elections.”

Admitting that Turkey had experienced some military interventions since the early ’60s, Başbuğ said: “Our evaluation is that those days were left behind. We think that everyone has taken his or her own lessons from this process.”

What disturbs the military chief, however, is the fact that “coup talk” has dominated the country’s agenda for weeks. “I think I have the right to ask this question: Who benefits most from these growing coup talks?” he said. “It’s not useful for the country.”

61 cases of leaked data

On the issue of the leakage of some top-secret documents from the military, Başbuğ said measures to stop such leaks have been intensified. “We have some structural problems [in this area],” he said. “We have to reinforce our system and we should fight against those who leak information outside.”

Informing the media that 61 cases had been launched in this regard, with nine of them being taken to military courts, the top general said one officer was found guilty and sentenced to three years. “Ten officers of different ranks were arrested. We are determined to find those who make mistakes.”

The leaked information is not always used immediately, according to the general. “They are waiting for the most suitable time,” he said. “This information is often used after a process of distortion.”


 

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Guest - Zonkey
2010-01-28 12:17:33
  @''Search for Truth'' - Not sure I agree that humanity needs religion but I do accept its here. Moderation is the key I agree. Don't agree that Europe is 99% Christian I'm afraid. See you in the pub (after church !)
 

Guest - Zonkey
2010-01-28 00:50:16
  Gurbetçi - let me at once clarify what my understanding of religion means in the context of my earlier comment. It is any of the three main world monotheistic religions and, in particular, dogmatic adherence to scripture, most of which, I repeat, has a somewhat dubious origin. The earlier poster had quoted scripture to illustrate that there is no compulsion in religion which is of course BS. I don't consider the issue of punishment of apostacy as an ''excruciating detail'' either. As far as moral codes go, I would certainly want to join you in furthering the human existence by exploring all assets available to us. Such exploration will of course involve some criticism along the way. I promise not to pull out the smoke and mirrors as long as you can refrain too !
 

Guest - Search for truth
2010-01-27 22:11:39
  Hi Gurbetci Hi Zonkey, you two are having a nice 3xcange of fiews, I say; more the marryer,so here are my two cnts worth of my opinion: The simple fact is that the Humanity must have the guidance of religion, religion will not solve all of humanity's problems. it must be in moderation. I consider myself a religeous person who very seldom attends the religeous service. Religion to me is the guide of my Concience that directs me to be fair, honest and compassionate as well as charitable. My friends, who seldom see me at religeous services, will give me a small (very small) but polite smile. I believe that God will grant me my sustenance, provided I strive and work for it. permit me to ask you to perform this small mental exercise, as follows: Envision the map of Europe in yiour mind. Now draw a lime down the middle of Europe, east to west or vis-averse as it pleases you. Let us accept that Europe is 99% Christian, north of our imaginary line is predominantly Protestant and less riggid and more tolerant. South of our line is Catholic, more rigid and domeneering. Now I can't help you, you have to answer this question for yourself.Qhich half is more afluent and has better social services. I say that tolerance is more conductive to peaceful and afluent life, if you strive for it.
 

Guest - Gurbetci
2010-01-27 19:03:06
  Answer to Zonkey: Your assertion that "it would not be beneficial for mankind to see any strengthening of any world community that is defined foremost by religion" can only be considered strictly within your own understanding of what religion means. On a planet where hundreds of languages and thousands of dialects are spoken, it is always easier to pose polemical questions, draw hasty conlusions, and just add to the confusion than to honestly explore the very few assets that we may have at our disposal to advance mankind to a common destiny. Arguing out of context the excruciating details of who may have said what in which chapter and verse of which book is nothing but smoke and mirrors presented as logic and reason. We can start raising ourselves to a higher and more tolerant level of existence by not calling other people's moral codes "meanderings of somewhat dubious origin".
 

Guest - The casual Observer
2010-01-27 16:19:35
  In my humble opinion the Ergenkon and lately the Sledgehammer "affairs" are nothing more than a 'Rearguard action by the party in power to keep the TSK occuoied, untill such time that the party is ready and feels safe enough to completely move to the East rather than towards EU. Should The TSK, otherwise know as "Turkish Armed Forces" show signs of unrest, they wil be blamed for twarting the EU accession, because the EU frowns on military medling. Furthermore, draging the retired chiefs in front of a procecutor is a ploy of humiliation. Would it been not more appropriate to have a investigative commity of equal number of elected senators, from the ruling and opposition partiy and the present General Chief of Staff members, created into an Investigative Council. This then would guaranty impartiality and should silence all critics. Most likely this would once and for all put these "Plot" intriques and inquest to rest. The Army Chiefs, present and past are not elected officials, they are men who devoted their life to protection and safety of their country, they were standing on 24 hour, 7 days a week guard, insuring peace and security for all citizens alike.
 

Guest - Zonkey
2010-01-27 15:24:01
  Apologies for going off topic but I feel I must pose a question to AmericanMuslim. I know what it says in Surah 2:256. How does this reconcile with the concept of apostacy in Islam and the subsequent and rather unpleasant punishments deemed appropriate depending on exactly which OIC country you live in ? I don't share your view that it would be beneficial for mankind to see any strengthening of any world community that is defined foremost by religion. Rather, this would be a backward step for humanity, if the role of free thought and expression, logic and reason could be trumped at any time by reference to ancient primitive meanderings of somewhat dubious origin. Nevertheless, I acknowledge that this is what the OIC seem to be having some effect in trying to perpetuate currently !!
 

Guest - David. S
2010-01-27 11:29:16
  Before General Basbug goes too far in his denials, he needs to be reminded of an expression that appears quite apposite, "there's no smoke without fire".
 

Guest - gurbetci
2010-01-26 19:43:06
  Answer to Motokosoma: As someone who actually served years in the Turkish military, I strongly disagree with your assertion that "Turkish Military top brass exploits Islam to maintain the loyalty of its conscripts and privates, they stamp out all Islamism in higher ranks". What Turkish military’s commanding officers actually do is to respect the separation of powers in all segments of the civilized society that they're sworn to serve and defend: the judiciary, the legislative, the executive, and the religioun. I know you're thinking, "religious?". Yes, indeed, religion! Openly or surreptitiously, religion exists in most advanced societies, Christian, Moslem, Hindu, Jewish, etc. an exerts grea influence on their institutions. One great empire, the Soviet Union, that stubbornly tried to erase all vestiges of man's religion failed miserably, and collapsed totally. It may have escaped your preferential academic cognition, but I assure you that the Turkish military is a great institution with thousands of years of history and experience where its commanders know somewhat better than what meets your eyes and do not necessarily feel that they need to prove everyday what they stand for.
 

Guest - Carl
2010-01-26 18:58:31
  Hi Dave, Just in case you are not aware that the Muslim Faith, of wich the Turks are a small part, is one of the troika that is dubbed "Monoetheistic Faith. It consists of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. (listed in order of their origin) Judaic people call the Creator "Yahwe" the Christians call the Creator, according to their nationality; God, Gott, Dios, Dio, Bog, Ass, e.t.c., e.t.c. Should all these people change their depiction of the Creator, change it to please others? Atheist, Secularist or Islamist have the same right to believe in whatever pleases or meets their emotional needs. Please, please do not get upset with the Swiss for baning Minarets, consider the following: Turkish Migrant workers in Europe are told by a visiting dignatery tha "Minarets are our bayonets" Minaret is one of the symbol of the Islamic faith, bayonet is a deadly weapon that is used in battle to disembowl the enemy at close quarters. Swiss most likely took this statement as a suttle treat. How do you neutralize such a treat, you ban it. How would Turks like it if a very high German official camr to Turkey and told the resident Germans; "Our Churchbells are our Battle Axes ??? Every Army in the world has a BaatleCry, after all the young soldiers are told to face the moment of thruth and put their lives on line for something they may not understand or care for, you know, most of us would call to the Creator to help us!
 

Guest - Dave
2010-01-26 14:08:04
  "In the army, we train soldiers to shout ‘Allah Allah’ while attacking enemy forces." I am sure Europeans will love this and they just can't wait for Turkey to join the EU. Sounds like the crusades to me, just the other way round - but certainly no better!
 

Guest - fodal
2010-01-26 13:29:30
  Turquey is a great and a civilized nation, it has to go beyond those stupid quarrels of under-developped countries : military coup suspicion, fears from the civil society, conflict between parties, etc. Democracy needs such protests to revigorate its good health, but pay attention please, democacy could be at stake when sorcerers apprentices (from inside or outside, or both) manipulate medias and parties. Europe is looking at you, your neighbors are following you, the entire world is admiring your new way of life and stability don't fall to the sirens of your manipulators. Tuquish Army is one of the best of the world, don't let those who are interested to create hostility between civilian and it's military to get to their purposes : hatred, suspicion and chaos. The soldier has to be submitted to the civilian government, and if he wants to enter in politic he has let down his uniform, as we see in all civilized countries. And Turquey is one of the most civilized countries of this world. By your exemple of moderation and stability, all countries around you will try to imitate you. Then, please, patience and perseverance !
 

Guest - MHP
2010-01-26 12:33:27
  (Applauds) Very well said Kiran
 

Guest - mark rivers
2010-01-26 12:19:20
  Let's be clear on one thing. Turkiye is not a Moslem country. Turkiye is a country majority of population of which is Moslem. Islam does not determine its domestic and foreigh policies. In other words, Turkiye is a secular country. By the international agreements and its constitutional obligations Turkiye has the full set of human rights including freedom of religion and/or freedom of no religion at all. So, when one say "Turkiye is a Moslem country" one has to remember that.
 

Guest - American Muslim
2010-01-26 08:14:32
  As a practicing Muslim I think secularism is a great idea for the Muslim world. However, I think the reason why most Muslim societies haven’t accepted the secular democratic system as a form of governance is because it’s often viewed as a form of western encroachment. As a “practicing” secular Muslim in America, I see how secularism within a Muslim state can co-exist. I don’t think secularism is a good idea because I’m an undercover Zionist or atheist that wants to infiltrate Islamic nations, I think it’s a sufficient system because it doesn’t permit any outlying group of extremists to affect the way a national government operates. As a liberal moderate Muslim I don’t want an atheist or a Wahhabi Al-Qaeda operative to dictate to me how to practice my religion. In fact, the Quran states that imposition of religion on anyone is forbidden, which clearly brings the legitimacy of Sharia Law into question. The Quran states in Surah 2, verse 256: “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things”. However, as a Muslim, I do believe that there should be a trans-continental Muslim state and government. Many people would say “Oh, that sounds extreme”. However why is it ok for the Jews to make a Jewish state, and the British pilgrims to travel from Britain in the 1700’s to make a white Christian nation in the US, or the BJP in India (who enjoy a lot of popularity) vowing to turn India into a Hindu nation. It’s a double standard. The world often perceives it justified for every race and religion in the world to stand united except for Muslims. If Muslim nations through out the world continue down the road there going where everyone independently makes a prosperous independent economy and military, perhaps it could be a reality one day. Maybe in 30-50 years the OIC (Organization of Islamic Conference) would be far more influential then it is now. However, the truth of the matter is that if the Muslim world were to ever create an intercontinental nation spreading from Western Sahara to Indonesia, imagine how intimidated nations like Israel would feel. It would almost attract instant enemy’s or instant allies (considering that a group of 2 Billion people is a huge market for economy’s around the world).
 

Guest - historian
2010-01-26 06:28:07
  it's a remnant of the ottoman period -- a vestige at most.
 

Guest - Carlos
2010-01-26 05:55:12
  This particular Sledsgehammer is being used on the Army's head, please consider the present scenario: The coup participants are to damage and and destroy mosques. This act should set the general populance against the Army. The destruction of Museums is intended to anger the secularist and intelectuals. Both scenarios are designed and intendet to isolate, defame and discredit the Turkish Armed Forces, who are the last barrier towards an Islamic Republic.
 

Guest - motokosoma
2010-01-26 04:48:37
  BBBB, If its surprising, than you have a poor understanding of secularism in the Turkish military. Mustafa Kemal nationalized Islamic sentiment. It was his main tool in motivating soldiers during WWI and the Turkish War of Independence. While the Top Brass exploits Islam to maintain the loyalty of its conscripts and privates, they stamp out all Islamism in higher ranks.
 

Guest - Abdallah
2010-01-26 03:34:35
  BBBB - you forget that Turkey is a muslim country. We Turks are proud of our military and our faith. Even America is secular but has in it dollar "In God we trust". Why not our soldiers shoouting then name of their creator when they are in battle against their enemy. Israeli soldiers carried the bible in Gaza`while killing innocent children. Don't plays with Turks!
 

Guest - The Casual Observer
2010-01-26 03:10:47
  B B B you are Very Very Very xonfused, secularism doe not mean giving up ones belief in God or any other devine guidance or power. In case you don't know diferent army's have various such mas shouts to encourage the attack. For instance the Russian army shout is URAH,urrah and Urah to you!!!
 

Guest - peter
2010-01-25 23:12:28
  The statement of the general 'The patience of the Turkish Armed Forces has a limit' reveals the attitude of the military. In a democratic society the general will stand up and start an investigation about the allegations by taking the side of the government. The military is supposed to serve the elected government in a democracy not to oppose it . Instead he is giving a speech about democracy claiming the military supports democracy and religion. In a democratic society neither religious leaders nor the military have any role in governing the country.
 

Guest - Levent
2010-01-25 23:10:56
  Dear BBBB, Don't you have a scrap of information about secularism? Yes, that's true; the Turkish Army will forever be the defender of secularism, and never let so-called Islamist, indeed only the exploiters of Islam, rule in this country. Secularism will live on eternally in Turkey.
 

Guest - hunni
2010-01-25 22:29:50
  praise the turkish army and its brave soldiers. Politicians come and go but the turkish army will always be here to defend us and to defend the ideas of keal ata turk long live the army its generals and soldiers
 

Guest - Encin
2010-01-25 20:16:23
  I agree I do find it strange that soldiers shout Allah Allah. It's as strange as Biblical references on rifle sights, an open secret among US soldiers... it’s become an embarrassment for the Pentagon, causing Michigan gunmaker Trijicon to send ‘removal kits.’
 

Guest - gurbetci
2010-01-25 20:06:49
  It is refreshing to see that PM Erdogan and General Basbug are both strong, god-fearing, and hard-working individuals who love their nation/ country, although they are somewhat different in their approaches and personal understanding/interpretation of democratic standards. They may not see eye-to-eye at all times, but no one should/can question their integrity and sincerity and dare to play any dirty games. I trust that they have the intelligence and wisdom not to fall into the trap of going against one another, and, in the process, inflict unacceptable damage to the country's two great institutions, the democracy and the armed forces. I express my gratitude and respect to both for their hard work and dedication, and God Bless Turkiye - God Bless Turks, Kurds (bacilarimiz, kardeslerimiz) and all citizens of Turkiye: Let's continue with the work on hand, hand-in-hand, shoulder-to-shoulder, bu davet bizim! There is just so much to be done! Lutfen dostu uzup dusmani sevindirmeyelim. Evlatlarimizin, askerlerimizin Allah Allah diyerek sehadete ermesini bile cok goren kisiye: Bastigin yerleri 'toprak' diyerek gecme, tani! Dusun altindaki binlerce kefensiz yatani. Sen sehid oglusun, incitme, yaziktir, atani. Verme, dunyalari alsan da bu cennet vatani. Respectfully.
 

Guest - Kiran
2010-01-25 19:30:47
  The sooner the voters kick out hoca Erdogan and Gul, the sooner Turkey can focus on creating jobs, educating its women, and solving real problems such as Cyprus and relations with border states and Turkic states.
 

Guest - BBBB
2010-01-25 18:20:45
  that is interesting....I thought the military was supposed to be the defender of secularism and yet they teach soldiers to shout Allah Allah?? that makes no sense...
 

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