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US Armenians hope for failure of Ankara-Yerevan deal

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ÜMİT ENGİNSOY
American-Armenians and their congressional backers are keen on the ‘genocide’ recognition, not the creation of normalized ties between Turkey and Armenia, diplomats and experts say. Armenians will try to persuade the world that it's the Turks that stopped the process, an expert argue

Armenian-Americans and their backers in Congress are hoping for the collapse of a normalization deal between Turkey and Armenia so they can continue to lobby for U.S. recognition of what they term the "Armenian genocide," diplomats and analysts said.

The Turkish and Armenian foreign ministers signed historic protocols on Oct. 10 that called for the creation of normal diplomatic relations between the two neighbors and the reopening of their shared land border. Their parliaments must first ratify the deal before the provisions go into effect.

Before reopening the land border, which has remained closed for 16 years, Turkey wants to see some progress toward the resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh problem between Armenia and Azerbaijan, Ankara's close ally.

Nagorno-Karabakh, a mainly Armenian-populated enclave inside Azerbaijan’s borders, has been under Armenian occupation since a war in the early 1990s.

Reopening border key matter

Yerevan, however, seeks to keep the normalization deal with Turkey and the Nagorno-Karabakh issue as completely separate processes, urging Turkey to reopen the border as soon as possible. Diaspora Armenians, meanwhile, also staunchly oppose any concessions on Karabakh.

But without progress on the Karabakh matter, it will be extremely difficult for Ankara to move to reopen the border. "If there's no progress on Karabakh, Turkey simply can't reopen the border with Armenia, which will effectively mean that the reconciliation process will have failed," one Washington-based analyst said. "If this happens, it will be important to see which side will be blamed for the derailed process. The Armenians will try to persuade the world that it's the Turks that stopped the process."

In that case, U.S. Armenians and their backers in Congress will seek to punish Turkey in Congress, the analyst said.

Armenian efforts in Congress

A resolution urging the United States to recognize the World War I-era killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as genocide has been pending in the House of Representatives, Congress' lower chamber, since February.

Democratic Senator Robert Menendez and Republican Senator John Ensign introduced a similar resolution in the Senate, Congress' upper chamber, last month.

"Pro-Armenian lawmakers in both sides of Congress will step up efforts for genocide recognition in the event of the collapse of the Ankara-Yerevan deal," said the analyst.

"Any formal U.S. genocide recognition would kill the normalization process," one Turkish diplomat said.

But U.S. Armenians and their congressional backers are keen on genocide recognition, not the creation of normalized Ankara-Yerevan ties," said the analyst.

"So there's a major trap jeopardizing the reconciliation process, and that trap can be prevented only if there's progress on the solution of the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute," the analyst said.


 

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Guest - ANDRANIK (2009-11-14 00:37:15) :

@Truth and why would you compare this with BBC? Because...? HA,HA,HA no own BRAINS,at least i have my own brains.


Guest - John Smith (UK) (2009-11-06 03:47:12) :

In a parliamentary debate in UK on 1921, Sir Neville Chamberlain said, “I cannot think without something like horror and dismay of the abominable barbarities which have been practised in Armenia, and if I condemn Turkish rule in Armenia it is not because it is Mohammedan rule over Christian people, but because it is a barbarous and brutal rule, which would disgrace whatever Government in which it originated.”


Guest - Truth (2009-11-05 11:59:06) :

@ Andranik have u ever been to the BBC web site when u comment there not only do u have to wait for it to be checked but u will find that only 3 posts out of 10 will be published where as here in our represive despotic, backward and stalinist state as u guys like to imagine it. every post u write as long as it doesnt contain profanity is being posted. so as u so elequently and diplomaticly put it..... HA,HA,HA, TOLD YOU,NO BRAINS!!!!!!!!!


Guest - Andranik (2009-11-05 11:33:45) :

HA,HA,HA, TOLD YOU,NO EVOLUTION!!!!!!!!! Thank you for commenting. Before we can publish your comment, we need to check that it is in accordance with Turkish laws.


Guest - Truth (2009-11-05 07:07:51) :

just so everyone can see. read Arams comment. you will see that a armenian (aram) wants all the armenians living in turkey dead. where as i and the vast majority of turks want to share our great nation with all who are proud to be part of this nation and protect it unity. the real joke is most armenians need a turk to translate their names. from a DNA perspective they are from the turkic races as well. all westerners need to read the comments posted. it will show that these people who live in the 21 century still want to aquire their neighbors land whether its turkey, georgia or azerbaijan. they profess expantion at all costs. they are incapable of respecting their neighbors teritorial integrety. so can you imagine their mind set at the turn of the century 100 years ago. they seen turks as inferior durring the ottoman empire days, as they do now. so when you as a westerner take a side. i ask that you investigate both sides of the story before making up your mind


Guest - Truth (2009-11-05 06:52:49) :

To aram... seems u mentioned hrant dink. lets look at it then. you guys would like to paint turkey as a stalanist regime that is a highly intolerant society. very convienient for you but far from the truth. he was the editor of AGOS a newspaper created by armenian TURKS. published in armenian, turkish and english. does that fit in with your picture of a highly intolerant society. this turk of armenian heritage was unfortunately assasinated by mentaly disturbed nationalists, you know the type. they exist in all societies (especialy high concentrations in the armenian diaspora). We never called him armenian or anyone else by their heritage we consider everyone who lives within turkey or carries turkish nationality as turk. just like in america they consider everyone who has american nationality as american, irrelevant of their background or heritage. i'm sorry if i am destroying your perception of turkey being a stalinist zenophobic state like armenia but i felt i needed to shed some light on a place you talk about but have never been to.


Guest - Truth (2009-11-05 04:49:48) :

To all the armenian people who have commented on this site since this site gave us the opportunity comment. i used to be all for building ties with armenia, but since i have seen the racisim hatred and desire to take lands from turkey, i am not only against this reconciliation. i am now totally against the opening of the borders with armenia. i wish that armenia goes it own path without our help. i know it will be bankrupt and a despotic state as it is almost there now. if you diaspora werent so full of blind hatred and nationalism you would see that the only reason turkey decided to start diplomatic relations was to avert a war between azerbaijan and armenia. as a war in that region is not preferable to turkey at the moment. it has the potential to disrupt the flow of oil through the BTC pipeline. that does not mean that if this negotiation process fails turkey will stop azerbaijan from taking its ancestral homelands back. once this war begins azerbaican will not only take the 20% of azerbaican that armenia is ocupying but it will continue through Syunik and take it to join up with nahcivan. then the world will do nothing as they did when armenia took 20% of azerbaijan. now azerbaijan has the oil it will have more bargaining power to make the west turn a blind eye. this is the reality of real politic, not some playstation game that most of the people who post comments here think it is. BTW my family is from trabzon. anyone who thinks that the killing was one sided should read the commentary written by a priest visiting trabzon back in 1915. its quite interesting. you might find out what really happened and change your one sided view. it tells of how the armenians burnt half the city and then the turks burnt the armenian quater. but according to armenians you arnt supposed to count the actions of the armenians when assessing what happened. yes my geat grand parents were there. so am i responsible for the acts committed if so then the armenians of today should be responsible for their great grand parents provocations and actions


Guest - Orhan Kucukoglu (2009-11-05 03:29:22) :

ÜMİT ENGİNSOY lets ask ourselves who are the USA Armenians? you attack USA Armenians because in the USA Senate and House floors there is resolutions affirming the Genocide of Armenians by the Ottomans,instead of todays republic of Turkey respecting these people,you redicule them,and insult the memories of the victims.after all these people once were the Anatolian Armenians,after survivng the genocide,they built their lives,against all odds,after decades in the middle east now they are in USA,they affluent,now its pay back time.they care less about this "normalization".


Guest - Aram (2009-11-04 21:44:01) :

Let's remember HRANT DINK he was assassenated on day light in middle of Istanbul not long ago (JAN-2007) by nationalist turks. Armenians in turkey living in difficult religion and natioanlity condition, afraid to show their nationality and relagion...may they'll be assassenated just like Hrant Dink.


Guest - Demir (2009-11-04 15:52:29) :

m.mark: The difference is that Turkey isn't doing any of what you accuse her of. The Armenians living today in Turkey are equal turkish citizens, enjoying all the rights as any other turkish citizen does. East Anatolya was never Armenian territory, but don't let the truth come in your way...so keep on dreaming. @Hovo: The EU carrot with which the powerful lobbies of some European capital cities use to influence Turkey with has long lost its allure! You can be confident that Turkey won't ever give away even an inch of its territory for any EU prize that might be thrown her way!


Guest - m. mark (2009-11-04 14:04:05) :

Demir: so called "East Anatolia" is Armenia and will remain the historic home land of Armenians! Islamic Chechen people, Dagestan as well Kosovo got and getting support form Islamic Turkey. Let us assume Armenians living in there historic home land in “Turkish Armenia” -West Armenia- were the “Christian Chechen” or “Christian kosovars” fighting for reforms, autonomy and even independence. What would you call the crime, if Serbia and Russia would start deporting “Chechen and Kosovars” and kill them en mass ,and rename there historich homeland …?


Guest - m. mark (2009-11-04 12:30:38) :

dimitri is right. Not only Armenians were subject of genocide but Christian Assyrians as well… Turkey has to recognize the genocide of Christian people committed by the Young Turkish regime of Ottoman Turkey. Turkey has not only wiped out old civilizations form her territory bus she is trying to justify the genocide committed. “Humanity” in ISLAM is certainly not equal to “genocide” …. This Turkey is a shame for the Islam and Isalmic world. There can not be any excuse and justification to commute a genocide!


Guest - Hovo (2009-11-04 11:11:53) :

I'm not sure they will show my comment after I tried at list 3 times but they will read even if they don't show my comments. Diaspora-Armenians are generation from scaped Armenians from genocide, raised in civilized countries around the world and get stronger after 94 years and they will never forget what happend to their grand parents back to Anatolia on last days of Ottoma empeir.


Guest - Hovo (2009-11-04 10:44:34) :

Before we can publish your comment, we need to check that it is in accordance with Turkish laws!!!!!!!!!!!! With this way you NEVER can joint EU?


Guest - Hovo (2009-11-04 10:36:41) :

The Armenia-Turkey border in question should better be stated as Armenia–Turkish Occupied Armenia border. The District of Kars-Ardahan, was an internationally recognized territory of the Republic of Armenia, in 1918. It was because of the Kemalist aggression and Stalin´s Communist regime that cut away the district and annexed it to Kemalist Turkey. Likewise, Karabakh and Nakhidjevan were Armenian territories cut away by Stalin and given to friendly Azerbaijan. Thus, Armenia cannot accept opening a border within its own rightfull territory, albeit partly occupied by Turkey and Azerbaijan.


Guest - Enturk (2009-11-04 09:50:08) :

Sounds to me like 'guilty until proven innocent' is what Armenians are labelling this whole process. I would like to remind them of the word "democratic" - as with any allegations of any kind they must be properly investigated & proven. Until then, Armenians should give the propaganda machines & spiteful blackmails & other ransoms a rest.


Guest - Armen (2009-11-04 02:02:10) :

I just wanted to comment Mr. Dogan. Personally I'm for reconciliation of the problems between our two nations and I support the process. However, US Armenians are not "so called." They are same nation, and, by the way, if not Genocide, today most of them would be citizens of Turkey.


Guest - Beemer (2009-11-03 23:22:35) :

Azerbaijan is holding Turkey from becomming a European country.


Guest - Demir (2009-11-03 18:12:22) :

@Nevin: You don't get it, it's not about coming to terms with any past occurences - it's about getting more land for Armenia from east Anatolya!


Guest - dimitri (2009-11-03 17:58:47) :

Please do not forget the Ionian and Pontic Greeks as well as Christian Assyrians that were sent to their deaths during those years, remember but everyone has to try and move forward, the sooner Turkey acknowledges the ottoman actions the better. Theodore Roosevelt on the Armenian Holocaust: In his book "Fear God and Take Your Own Part" (NY, George H. Doran Co, 1916), Theodore Roosevelt wrote: "Armenians, who for some centuries have sedulously avoided militarism and war, and have practically applied advanced pacifist principles...and they are so suffering precisely and exactly because they have been pacifists whereas their neighbors, the Turks, have not been pacifists but militarists." Page 61 "During the last year and a half...unoffending, industrious and law abiding peoples like the Armenians, have been subject to wrongs far greater than any that have been committed since the close of the Napoleonic Wars...and, indeed, in the case of the Armenians, the wars of Genghis Khan and Tamerlane in Asia." Page 111


Guest - Nevin (2009-11-03 17:35:31) :

I'm not a historian but I understand the Armenians who seek the recognition of the genocide. There are evidence that this was organized. I also understand that some Turks reject this term, as a lack of clear evidence. I think we must be courageous and speak together, not emotionally as it's always the case. I'd like to see Armenians less 'confrontal' and Turks more 'open to discussion'. We all have to accept that not all Armenians were killing Turks, and that not all Turks killed Armenians. The Ottoman empire was an impossible dream, innocent Armenians were massacred or left to death. Turks/Armenians should honour the death of all victims, not only theirs. By the way I am a Turk. There is no reason why we shouldn't celebrate the death of (all) innocent victims on 24 April together. One day soon insallah. Let's make an appeal and organise this for next year.


Guest - Giro Manoyan (2009-11-03 16:50:49) :

Just a reminder to everyone: On 10 October 2009, only horus before the foreign ministers of Armenia and Turkey signed the two protocols, Serzh Sargsyan, President of the Republic of Armenia, in his address to the people of Armenia and to all Armenians, said: "No relations with Turkey can question the reality of the patricide (dispossession of the fatherland) and the genocide perpetrated against the Armenian nation. It is a known fact and it should be recognized and condemned by the whole progressive humanity. The relevant sub-commission to be established under the intergovernmental commission, is not a commission of historians."


Guest - m. mark (2009-11-03 16:39:44) :

Araz Dogan: the only think which could make "US Armenians jobless" would be: if Turkey starts to study the huge crime committed against Armenian people, as Turkey of 1919 was going to do – this is to face her bloody pas! !--------- "This year marks the 90th anniversary of trial over leaders of Young Turks “Unity and Progress” party, who organized Armenian Genocide in Ottoman Empire. After the Armistice of Mudros (1918), new Turkish Government, under the leadership of Ahmet Izzet Pasha (Pasa) made decision to hold Young Turks’ leaders accountable for committing max extermination of Armenians and involving Ottoman Empire in World War I. Ministers and leaders the party, district secretaries, military servants and authorized individuals were arrested, Yerevan Genocide Museum Institute says in a release, On January 8, 1919, ad hoc military courts were established in Istanbul. Court session focused on crimes committed by Young Turks. Trial against them began on April 27, 1919 and lasted till June 26 with intervals. 31 senior officials and 1 party representative were found guilty. On May 28, the British command unexpectedly exiled the 77 accused to Malta. Verdict was returned on July 5, 1919. Turkey’s Interior Minister and Chair of party’s central committee Talaat Pasha (Talaat Pasa), Defense minister Enver Pasha (Enver Pasa), minister of military and navy forces and Commander of 4th Turkish Army in Syria during World War I Jamal Pasha (Cemal Pasa), and general education minister Dr. Nazim Bay were sentenced to death in absentia. All the other 27 accused were sentenced to imprisonment. Still there were accused who were acquitted for the lack of evidence. ARF-Dashnaktutyun representative Sahan Natali elaborated and realized Nemesis operation aimed at annihilating Turkish criminals, organizers and perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide. On May 15, 1921, Soghomon Tehleryan (Tehlirian) shot dead the former Interior Minister Talaat in Berlin. In June 1921, Berlin Court discharged Tehleryan. On December 6, Arshavir Shirakyan killed former Premier of Young Turks government Sayid Khalim Pasha. On April 17, 1922 Arshavir Shirakyan and Aram Yerkanyan eliminated in Berlin the former governor of Trebizond Jemal Azmi and the creator of the criminal organization "Teshkilati Mahsusa” Behaetdin Shakir Pasha; one of the guards of Shakir was also killed. A few months later Kemal Pasha, Fourth Army commander, was shot dead in Tiflis. On July 25, 1922 Petros Ter-Poghosyan and Artashes Gevorgyan carried out the sentence against the former minister of the military and naval forces of the Ottoman Empire Jamal. Zare Melik-Shahnazaryan and Stepan Tsaghikyan took part in organizing the attempt. In 1922, Enver Pasha was killed in Turkestan by a Red Army commander Hakob Melkumov. "


Guest - Araz Dogan (2009-11-03 15:49:26) :

If Armenia lives peacefully with Turkey and Azerbaijan, the so called”US Armenians" will become jobless.


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