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Ioannis N. Grigoriadis, assistant professor of political science at Ankara’s Bilkent University.

Ioannis N. Grigoriadis, assistant professor of political science at Ankara’s Bilkent University.

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story included a misattributed quote.

Turkey’s accession process to the European Union has made the country’s political culture in recent years more liberal than ever before, according to a Greek academic of Turkish politics.

Ioannis N. Grigoriadis is currently assistant professor of political science at Ankara’s Bilkent University although his résumé also includes positions at Athens University and Istanbul’s Işık and Sabancı universities. His book “Trials of Europeanization: Turkish Political Culture and the European Union” was released in Istanbul on Wednesday. The book is based on Grigoriadis’ Ph.D. work at London’s School of Oriental and African Studies, or SOAS, where he conducted research under Professor William Hale.

“Trials of Europeanization” assesses the impact of improving EU-Turkey relations on Turkish political culture and tries to identify progress in domains of national identity, secularism, civil society and state-society relations. It focuses on the past 10 years, starting from the so-called Helsinki Decision in December 1999, when Turkey was declared a candidate for EU membership.

“There is an increasing liberalization of Turkish political culture, an opening of discourse on issues that were taboos in the past. Several issues are being openly discussed, including national identity and secularism; this is very important,” Grigoriadis told the Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review in an interview.

Since 1999, Turkish civil society has become more active with citizens participating in politics in a much more open manner than in the past, he said.

“There are still some challenges to be dealt with, but progress has taken place. I am not saying things are good in many respects, but things are better. I can identify some changes [in Turkish political culture], which I would consider irreversible [for the most part],” Grigoriadis said.

One of the changes is the evolving discourse on secularism, Grigoriadis said. The book presents two versions of secularism: an assertive one and a passive one. “The polarization of Turkish political culture [in recent years] has led to a debate about liberalizing Turkish secularism as well. This is something new,” he said.

He believes finding a consensus on the headscarf debate is possible. “A consensus can be reached whereby no secular women may be forced to wear a headscarf, while no pious women may be forced to take it off either. This is the key point,” he said.

More work on minority rights needed

In his book, Grigoriadis identifies these positive developments, but also highlights shortcomings such as minority rights. “This is an area in which little progress has been achieved and much remains to be done,” he said.

“A big part of this agenda is linked to the Kurdish initiative although we do not know exactly how far it will go and how openly it will address issues that relate to the Kurds in this country,” Grigoriadis said. “However, Alevi issues are still on the table and non-Muslim rights are also very prominent.”

“In fact, as Istanbul will become the European Capital of Culture next year it will be very important to give evidence of the respect for the multicultural and multi-religious heritage of the city by resolving these issues sooner rather than later.”

Privileged partnership talk erodes credibility

The scholar criticized France and Germany for its “privileged partnership’” rhetoric, something he said erodes the EU’s credibility in regions neighboring Turkey. “Turkey needs to do its homework but the EU should give clear signals that Turkey has a fair chance of becoming a member if it complies with the Copenhagen criteria,” Grigoriadis said. “The statements of France and Germany, to a lesser extent, do a lot of harm to the Turkish democratization process.”

Cyprus a key priority

Despite his focus on Turkish political culture, Grigoriadis’ also said the Cyprus issue should be one of the key priorities of EU foreign policy because of the veto power of Greek Cyprus. Another reason why the issue should be resolved is that some EU member states may use Cyprus as an excuse in opposing Turkey’s EU accession for completely different reasons.

“It will always create problems for Turkey’s accession process. Not least because other countries might be willing to play with this problem in order not to expose themselves for other opinions they may hold about Turkish EU accession. I would point to the Cyprus issue as the number one priority in the foreign policy agenda in the EU,” Grigoriadis said.

In his view, the failure of the Kofi Annan Peace Plan in 2004 was particularly unfortunate. “When the decision was made about the membership of Cyprus in the EU, the Greek Cypriot side argued that if they were kept outside the union because of the lack of solution for which the Turkish Cypriots were responsible, Greek Cypriots would become hostages,” he said.

“At that time, this argument appeared to be convincing as the Greek Cypriot President Glafkos Clerides was the motivator for a solution while [Turkish Cypriot President] Rauf Denktaş was the intransigent one,” Grigoriadis said.

Soon, matters took a different turn, Grigoriadis said. “There was a 180 degree turn because a moderate Turkish Cypriot leader and a more intransigent Greek Cypriot leader [came into the picture]. Most European countries were not happy with the end result of the Cyprus accession without the solution. It did give signals on the Greek Cypriot side whether they can go on with an unresolved problem for indefinite amount of time,” he said.

On the other hand, there were some “legitimate concerns” about some aspects of the Annan Peace Plan, Grigoriadis said. “These were, for instance the guarantor questions or the presence of the military on both sides. They could have been resolved without a major loss for the Turkish Cypriot side.”

Upcoming publications

Grigoriadis’ upcoming work will include a comparative piece on U.S-Turkey relations and anti-Americanism in Turkey, which will appear in the Middle East Journal in January 2010. In September, Grigoriadis’ article on the role of the Church of Greece in Greek-Turkish relations was published in “Religion and Politics in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa” (Routledge 2009).

He is currently doing research on center-left parties in Greece and Turkey together with Ziya Öniş, professor of international relations at Koç University. “I am trying to compare how the center-left parties in Greece and Turkey have evolved since the 1970s. While the Republican People’s Party, or CHP, and the Pan-Hellenic Socialist Movement, or PASOK, were quite similar in the 1970s, they have since taken a completely different path,” he said.

Evolving neighborly relations

The earthquakes in the fall of 1999 in Turkey and Greece marked the start of a new era in contacts at the grassroots level between the two nations.

Greek scholar Ioannis N. Grigoriadis, however, says the right crew of diplomats was already in place for reconciliation to occur.

“In a sense, the earthquakes of 1999 were a tipping point [in Greek-Turkish relations]. The right people – George Papandreou and Ismail Cem – were in the foreign ministries of both countries already,” Grigoriadis said. “However, they still needed an event that could mobilize popular opinion, which was very negative on both sides. The opening the earthquake created was exploited by some forward-looking, visionary politicians on both sides to [get us to] where we are right now.”

Ten years on, there is growing interest in Greece toward Turkey.

“There is a major trend that is also supported by improving economic conditions. People want to learn the language, come here and spend time living in Istanbul and other parts of Turkey, trying to obtain as objective a view of the country as possible,” Grigoriadis said.

The scholar believes there is increasing interest in Greece in the Turkish language too. “People think learning Turkish is a good asset for their career as well,” he said.

Although grassroots contacts between the citizens of Greece and Turkey are stronger than before, there is still a need for high-level political moves, Grigoriadis said.

“Economic relations have become stronger and trade between the two countries has skyrocketed in recent years. Relations at the civil-society level are stronger and there is a lot of interaction and travel between the two countries. The youth in particular are getting to know each other,” he said. “But on the high politics side, things haven’t improved much.”

The strengthening of bilateral relations started slowing down a few years ago. “There was a big opportunity that was lost in 2004 for the resolution of the Cyprus issue,” Grigoriadis said. “Ever since then, issues on the bilateral level, such as the Aegean dispute, have not been resolved.”

“There is a need for a strong political will on both sides,” he said. “But because of populist pressures and changing public opinion, it is important for the political will to be simultaneous in Greece and Turkey.”

 


 

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Guest - Rum (2009-11-25 10:19:42) :

who cares about whether ancient greeks and modern greeks have exactly the same DNA? Who cares whether the ancient nomadic Turks from central Asia are the same as modern Turks? Stop being so racist. Obvisouly both nations are a mosaic of ethnic groups in the melting pot that is the eastern Mediterranean. Greek speaking people have been living in Anatolia for ages and NO that does not mean we want to conquer lands of the Turkish republic as I imagine Turks do not want to conquer western Thrace just because there is a turkish & pomak muslim minority living there. Get a life.


Guest - antinationalist (2009-11-25 10:13:38) :

people like kaya are sad or simply can't understand english... Greek people are no foreigners in Anatolia nor is there such think as greek imperialist dream anymore (only in the minds of a few bigheads). the immoralism of the statements made by Kaya is impressive even for an ultranationalist like him. Hope the majority of democratic people in Greece and Turkey disregard and ignore extreme opinions of small groups of retarded people with strong inferiority or superiority complex. Dont let them poison our friendship.


Guest - Kaya (2009-11-24 14:31:11) :

Im going to make this quick Niko because i have very little time for imperialist Greek dreams. If i record correctly, the Ottoman empire was collapsing when you arose victorious from your war of independance. In Ataturks war of independance, we was far from outnumbered, and still won. Our war was a greater victory and if anything your right it was an unfair contest of war - it was in your favour. And we won it. From what i can recall from fact, the only indegnious people to Turkey are the Turks. Greeks and Armenians are foriegners, always have been, always will be. Also, the discovery channel comment was sarcasm but obviously somebody has an inability to pick up on it. The ethnic differences between ancient and modern greeks are large, go search it up for yourself. You have much to learn, child.


Guest - Kalimerhaba (2009-11-22 18:40:02) :

I am glad that at least some of the participants here (namely Martins Faleru, Stathis, Antinationalist and Silvia) remained calm and serious. The rest (Greeks and Turks) should better really study and search for historical and political truth, not blinded by nationalistic prejudice and old-fashioned stereotypes. Most of them did not understand a tiniy bit of what the story about professor Grigoriadis says. Too sad!


Guest - Stylianos (2009-11-22 15:05:23) :

Kaya, Im not trying to make Turkish people to look like the bad people. Of course I’m not denying that Junta in Greece backed the military coup in Cyprus which over through the nominal president of Cyprus , Makarios. This was a crime against Cyprus people in which Greek Cypriots paramilitary groups participated and im not proud of it. A Crime for both Turkish and Greeks. Because the plan was to eliminate any opposition from Greeks who were supporting the nominal president and then to fight Turkish Cypriots to accept union with Greece. The 5 days from the military coup until the first phase of Turkish invasion the people of Greek Junta were killing and fighting anyone who opposed the coup. If you study the numbers and the facts you will come to the conclusion that those days Greeks Cypriots were the target , and much more Greeks were killed these 5 days. Turkey according to the constitution of the republic of Cyprus had the right to intervene to protect the soil of the Republic of Cyprus, not to occupy it , to bring back the nominal president and not to establish other state, and to protect all people Greeks and Turks and not make the 1/3 of greek population refugees e.t.c. Greece was suffering under the military dictatorship from 1967. After the first phase of invasion junta collapsed and the politicians came from the exile. Why then Turkey almost a month after the first phase when Greece was again in the hands of politicians , the military coup in Cyprus collapsed and discussions have started continue with the second phase and occupied 36% of the state which Turkey had the obligation to protect it territorial. Again Im saying all of these not to blame a country and its people, I m just trying to see as clear I can the historical back round. The problem was that nationalistic passions manage to pass to the period after the establish of the republic of Cyprus and the fears of partition for Greeks and Union with Greece for Turks were fuelling through TMT and EOKA B riots and attacks in both sides with the most aggressive against Turks. Studying the numbers for years I came to the conclusion that Cyprus was a victim of extremely small numbers of people , consisting small paramilitary groups in both sides(supported by the Greece and Turkey) which exploit the fears the ignorance and the illiteracy of both sides. Hunni. I know very well what EU promised to Turkish Cypriots. EU promised trade with Turkish Cypriot community , not with Turkish Cypriot state. With the Turkish community through the republic of Cyprus which is EU member state. I’m just telling the decision. «TRNC» is not recognized as a state according to the Resolution 541 of the UN which is describing the attempt to create TRNC as `legally invalid' and it is calling for the withdrawal of the Declaration of Independence, and asked all countries not to recognise the new republic. The Greeks Cypriots accepted the promise of EU to the Turkish Cypriot community but because Turkish Cypriot leadership wants firstly to be recognized as state are refusing. That is Why they did not keep their promise. Suleyman. You spoke about going back to their origins not as you saying now to go back to there majority lands, that is why you got such an answers. I don’t know what you heard but living for a year and a half in Komotini in east Thrace as Erasmus student I meet lot of Muslin Greek citizens there, students and simple citizens (you can call them Turkish , or Turkish Greek Citizens or whatever you want or they want , I’m just using the description from the Treaty of Lausanne) and I never meet the situation you said. They have their mosques, schools their rights and their obligations as Greek citizens. Even after the pogrom in Istanbul in 1955 there weren’t any acts of revenge by Christian Greeks. Hunni, generally speaking now , no one is forcing Turkish people and Turkish Cypriots to join EU. Kaya, yes we know who are living in Anatolia today and in Istanbul and I wish you good life and prosperity in your lands. I was not born there and I have my country .Even I have cultural bonds with the past of the lands where today is yours state I have no problem with who is living or which state is there. As Greek I’m proud of it, proud to speak Greek and study ancient Greeks , and also im proud as European citizen who enjoys the opportunities I have because of that. I don’t care if my county is one thousand or 1 million , I just want to leave and work for my prosperity also my country prosperity and to have a small land to live and a good work. All the other nationalistic ideas by bigheads from Greece or Turkey are not leading anywhere….. Last advise to all Greeks and Turks, if you want to study your past please…do not stay in the school books of history, these books are the base of nationalism and their main object is to form strong national identity….nothing more. Be eclectic on your sources and read from different points of view from different writers FROM DIFERENT COUNTRIES with critical thought (be careful with writes who were involved personally in the events which are describing). Be careful when you are ‘taking interviews from people who lived a specific period and ask for their sources. The most of the time their sources are newspapers so be careful what you believing. In Cyprus issue news papers were the main carrier for nationalistic ideas for the people in that period. When you are asking people who lost relatives in difficult periods of your history be prepared not to drift emotionally in quick conclusions for a whole historical period which has many points of view. The last one is difficult to be achieved because of the justified pain of these people who are describing events and situations and I know that personally. Good luck to all of us.


Guest - Niko45b3 (2009-11-22 14:36:13) :

Kaya, watch the discovery channel?? thats your proof that modern Greeks are not the same as anceint Greeks?? thats a weak argument, I am not aware of any such article/documentary that makes such claims and I defy you to provide such evidence. your claims are just based on anti-greek nonsense....secondly, your claims of Greece getting its "ass handed" to it is complete nonsense. you turks seem to forget that the war of independence lasted 8 years in which we mopped up the floor with you....also, you should educate yourself on the first balkan war and see how Greece humiliated turkey. how do u think Greece got macedonia and the islands back?? Before you make reckless comments about turkey always beating Greece you should study your history more . and do not bring up cyprus, you were not fighting the Greek army in 1974. you were fighting civilians with rifles mostly. I NEVER made any Greek claim on turkish land. I just responded to your moronic comment that the indigenous people of anatolia (i.e. greeks and armenians) should go back to "homeland". by the way, when you took Constantinople, you outnumbered us by more then 10 to 1. I would hardly call that a "fair contest of war" as you put it.....that being said, Greek lands were lost long ago and I have no desire for them to be "returned" to Greeks. as long as historical Greece is Free this is all I care about.


Guest - How foolish can you be? (2009-11-22 14:22:32) :

Suleyman before Istanbul is a Turkish city it is a a Jewish and Armenian city. Before it is a Jewish and Armenian city, it is a Greek city. All three of these people can claim Istanbul more of a "homeland" than the Turks can. Also as others have said the Greek homeland was central and western Anatolia. The Armenian homeland is eastern Anatolia, especially around Lake Van. The Turkish homeland is Central Asia. The Turks left Central Asia voluntarily, the Greeks and Armenians did not leave their homeland voluntarily. In fact, many did not get the luxury to leave at all!


Guest - Noname (2009-11-22 14:13:07) :

First of all nobody said that the greeks are saints..they have done never nothing wrong and all this..no they are not saints but you can not compare anyone to tje turks.the things they have done are too much for europe ..for asia i do no know..they have to realize that we are in a europian place now ...and they have to have the right attitude.. As for the cyprus thing we hear the same excuse for years and years..Have you seen the movie a bit of spice ?when the turks made the greek citizens go and they asked why in 1970 they answered becaue iur people suffer in cyprus because of makarios..the same excuse for so long..we are bored of you,.you found cyprus as an excuse for everything...


Guest - Kaya (2009-11-22 13:12:49) :

@Hunni - thankyou. I too am a Turkish Cypriot, and know full well the realities of the situation.


Guest - Silvia (2009-11-22 12:19:22) :

Compliments to Dr Grigoriadis! The book can be an interesting (and useful!) gift to mr. van Rompuy, mr Sarkozy and mrs. Merkel. Hopefully he will be granted with an opportunity to present his findings to them, and to the EU parliament.


Guest - suleyman (2009-11-22 09:34:47) :

To all who have attacked and defended my comments here, some are saying that the turks in greece are treated as equals, what a load of propoganda crap, in the last 100 years, we know too well of the atrocities, such as demolishment of mosques and homes. Modern day greeks are more middle eastern than there ancient cousins, and finally i stated that this so called expert should try and clean his own backyard prior to critisising us. Also if you read my comments in detail, i suggested that anyone who is not happy with turkish norms, than they should go back to there majority lands and MISS TURKIYE FOREVER. Get your experts to study there homelands befor they study mine.


Guest - hunni (2009-11-22 01:06:54) :

@ kaya well done for your comments. As a citizen of the turkish republic of cyprus I can tell you a lot about the greek cypriots about their lies and twisting of the truth. The greek people should learn it is far better to live in peace and trade with the turkish people because every time their have a war wit turkey they lose people and land. As to the EU they told us that if we vote to re unite with the greek occupied areas of cyprus they would give the TRNC funds so we voted Yes the greeks voted NO and they are in the EU and block the promised money to our side. Never believe a greek or the EU we are better off with out the EU.


Guest - Kaya (2009-11-22 00:55:46) :

@niko - it doesnt take a genius to know the two are ethnically different. All you have to do is watch the discovery channel. When will you come to terms that Turkey is no longer your land, it was obtained with a fair contest of war, the way your ancestors captured Turkey all those years ago? When will you learn Turkey is Turkish land and soil? Why dont you let go of the Greek pipe dream, Niko. Turkey is no longer yours buddy. Wake up my friend. And dont post your nonsense about Turkey being Greek on these forums. You tried to take back land that wasnt yours (cyprus?), and the Turkish military handed your arses to you. When will you learn?


Guest - antinationalist (2009-11-22 00:38:41) :

Greek and Turkish nationalists are sick. The whole mentality about minorities that have to be assimilated or leave as Suleyman implies, is the route of all problems. In fact this is pure fascism. Human rights are universal but nationalists only care when it is THEIR people that are the victims. Otherwise they will find a reason to justify the crimes. This is hypocricy at its best. Great liers those that suggest only Greeks or only Turks commited crimes against humanity when we all know that in different contexts individuals from both nations commited massacres. With mentalities like that being acceptable by large portions of their populations it is no accident that Greece and Turkey are falling back against more advanced countries.


Guest - Kaya (2009-11-21 16:40:49) :

@Stylianos: Yet while dancing around Turkey's dark past, and telling us how aweful Turks are, you forget the history of Greece in Cyprus which overshadows the past 60 years of Turkish history. Greece supported an undemocratic, dictatorial coup on the island of Cyprus and funded terrorist groups which went on campaigns to ethnically cleanse the island. Even you cannot deny they where first to attack and rupture the peaceful republic established by Makarious and Kucuk in which Greeks sought to ruin. Thanks for your comments, i do hope one day Turkey will be completely liberal free from its past and a beacon of prosperity and inalienable rights for all man. Until then, lets push towards the EU.


Guest - Stathis (2009-11-21 15:59:49) :

I think we should have some games of Tavli, tavli makes good frientds no matter who wins and who loose. (If you got the meaning of this)


Guest - Niko (2009-11-21 15:32:38) :

kaya, what proof do you have that modern Greeks are not ancient Greeks?? you have NO proof. you should know the ottoman marriage law, not to mention who and what the Greeks were during the byzantine and western roman empire. you say modern Greeks are not ancient Greeks, but look at the history of the city of Izmir. Look at the founding of the city and who was living in the city from the beginning up until the 1920's....your comments are ignorant and nonsensical. the modern Greek language is a direct descendant and evolution of the Koine Greek language which in turn is a descendant of the ancient Greek language.......and if we are not Greeks then who replaced the Greeks?? certainly not slavs, seeing as how they were rounded and forcibly resettled in the balkans during the 9th century byzantine recovery of Greece......you are very ignorant of historical facts. I have no problem with turkish people having anatolia. I have a problem with turks saying that the most ancient inhabitants of the land should go back to their "homeland".....and maybe you could give anatolia back to the hittites but they dont exist anymore....and as far as cyprus goes, before the roman empire or persian empire owned cyprus the Greeks owned it. The Hittites ruled the island first, and then the Greeks in 1400 b.c.. so since you want to give Cyprus to its original owner give it to the Greeks because Hittites no longer exist.


Guest - noname (2009-11-21 15:32:30) :

kaya and krakozhlia the problem is that you are the nationalists ..the greeks know who used to live in these areas ,who live now and how you achieved this..And also fir which reason ..everything is obvious..the thing which is not obvious to you is that the greeks are not like you and not want these areas back..now that you made go all he greeks from there.


Guest - Martins Faleru (2009-11-21 15:03:04) :

The truth must be said Turkey has changed in recent time and moreso many things have improved, but more needed to be done to meet up with Copenhagen criteria. There is no place on earth without minorities, fair judgement should be given to each parties. Everyone knows the history of Turks and the Greek inorder word the both have to work together and achieve a common goal.


Guest - Stylianos (2009-11-21 13:17:46) :

"Thank you for commenting. Before we can publish your comment, we need to check that it is in accordance with Turkish laws" I’m looking forward for the day this phase will not appear and the criticize of state's institutions will not be a crime


Guest - Stylianos (2009-11-21 13:06:05) :

Turkish people should stop fearing EU. Turkey’s difficulties on minority rights and civil rights emanate from fear about the unity of the state and can be reflected from the EU annual reports. The fear that the adoption of EU norms would give ground to minorities for hazardous (as far the Turkishness homogeny of the state ) demands keeps Turkey back in reforms. Suleyman, as far I know, the muslin minority in Greece has members in Greek Parliament, religious and secular s public schools, their own mayors a representatives , TV and radio stations where can broadcast with no restrictions anytime they want in any language and all the same rights and obligations the Christians Greek citizens have.(taxes , military service etc. you know , even the patriarch Bartholomew served in Turkish army years before as Christian Turkish citizen). The Greeks never attack muslin minority as Turkish people did in 1955 when they burned out the Christian Greek district during Istanbul Pogrom. The minority reduced until 1976 from 120 000 to 5000 after the riots and the fear of their life. So if we follow your suggestion that if anyone is unhappy with freedom can go back….Turkey will lose much more because the minority in Thrace is much bigger and healthier compare with the Greek minority in Istanbul. And something else….. the origins of the Greek minority are in Istanbul for 2000 years


Guest - krakozhia (2009-11-21 13:03:36) :

niko we know who were here before we came but not sure ıf you accept who lıve ın those lands now...


Guest - Kaya (2009-11-21 12:58:05) :

@Niko: it is your people that cant come to terms with the facts that the first Turks won anatolia and Eurasia with a fear contest of war. This is Turkish lands. So unless any Greek settlers assimilate and consider themselves Turkish, yes, all Greeks to the country of Turkey and the island of Northern Cyprus are foriegners. And please do not confuse yourself with modern Greeks and ancient Greeks - completely different things. If we played but your rules, we'd just return anatolia to the Hittites and Cyprus to the Venitians - something you guys convienetly forget. Turkey is Turkish land, Niko. End your imperialistic dreams.


Guest - Niko (2009-11-21 12:33:56) :

Do no treat Greeks or Armenians as if they are newcomers or immigrants to Anatolia. That would be ignorant of the facts and of history.


Guest - Niko (2009-11-21 12:32:10) :

excuse me?? Suleyman, you tell Greeks from Turkey to go back to their origins but Greeks have been living in Anatolia for THOUSANDS of years. Anatolian Greeks had cities and civilizations long before the Turks came from Asia. You talk about the Greeks as if Anatolia is not their historical homeland. In reality, among the Greeks, Armenians and Turks, it is the Turks who are the newcomers to Anatolia. Maybe it should be Turks who go back to their origins in asia and leave the land to its most ancient and historical inhabitants.


Guest - suleyman (2009-11-21 07:08:43) :

“Turkey needs to do its homework but the EU should give clear signals that Turkey has a fair chance of becoming a member if it complies with the Copenhagen criteria,” Grigoriadis said. In other words, we will take everything from the turks, bribe them and than tell us that we dont belong. This professor should also look at how greece treats its minorities, before critisizing us. As a matter of fact he should look at the whole of the EU, in relation to minorities. If our greek, jewish or armenians or any other group are not happy living in turkey they should go back to there origins.


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