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Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. AFP photo

Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. AFP photo

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has taken a harsh position against undocumented Armenian workers in Turkey, threatening to expel thousands amid tensions over allegations that Armenians were victims of “genocide” during the last days of the Ottoman Empire.

Resolutions passed recently in the United States and Sweden to brand the World War I killings as “genocide” undermine peace efforts with Armenia, Erdoğan said during his visit to London, according to excerpts from an interview with the BBC Turkish service published on the BBC Web site late Tuesday.

However, Suat Kınıklıoğlu, deputy chairman of the ruling Justice and Development Party, on Wednesday tried to clarify Erdoğan’s remarks in a written statement, saying: “What our prime minister referred to was the tolerance affording to Armenian citizens who are working illegally in Turkey.”

Kınıkoğlu, who is also head of Turkey-U.S. Interparliamentary Friendship Caucus, noted that this has been part of Turkish policy since 2005 to warm relations with Armenians. Turkey will continue its efforts to stabilize the South Caucasus, he said, adding that at a recent NATO meeint in Yerevan he saw that Armenian elites were still not ready for normalization, but that the Armenian people were looking forward for normalizing ties and opening borders.

“Hope, they will catch this historic opportunity and do the right thing,” he said.

‘Negative impact’

Referring to about 100,000 undocumented Armenians working in Turkey that Ankara has so far tolerated, Erdoğan said: “So what will I do tomorrow? If necessary, I will tell them 'come on, back to your country'... I'm not obliged to keep them in my country. Those actions [on genocide resolutions] unfortunately have a negative impact on our sincere attitudes,” Agence France-Presse quoted him as saying.

Forced to leave their impoverished country to earn a living, thousands of Armenians, mostly women, have settled in Istanbul, working mainly in manual jobs or as nannies and cleaning ladies.

Erdoğan also blamed the “genocide” resolutions on the influential Armenian diaspora in the United States and Western Europe. "We are extending our hand, but if our counterparts clench their hand into a fist, there will be nothing we can do," he said.

During the interview with BBC, the prime minister also touched on the Iran’s controversial nuclear program and said there was no definite report showing that Iran would acquire nuclear weapons. "These are all rumors. Because, nothing like that has happened. So, it is meaningless to discuss it," he said.

Noting he had personally warned Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad several times and told him that Turkey did not want any nuclear weapons in its region, Erdoğan said the Iranian leader said that his country had no intention to produce nuclear weapons.

In his reply to a question on whether Turkey's EU membership process has lost velocity, Erdoğan said the process did not slow down, according to a report by Anatolia news agency.

Expressing Turkey's determination for the opening of the remaining chapters in its EU process, he said, "Turkey will continue to walk toward the EU in a determined way as long as the union does not close its doors to Turkey."


 

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Guest - Robert
2010-04-05 03:08:23
  Even today many Armenian buildings are converted to mosques, museums, or stable, and a Christian person in Turkey is not allowed to will his property to his heirs. In addition, the Turkish constitution declares that people whose ancestry was from Turkey should be allowed to move to Turkey and claim Turkish citizenship. Since I would imagine that many of the illegal Armenian workers in Turkey probably have a Grandparent or Great Grandparent from Turkey, ( before they were expelled the last time ! ) shouldn't that include them as well? I also wonder how Turkey would respond if it's illegal workers, who are in residence by the million, in Western Europe, would be threatened with expulsion. If there is anyone who has done a lot of good for the Armenian Cause, it was the Turkish Prime Minister with his comment. Let Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians live in Turkey, which was also their home, and allow them safety to practice their religion, and THEN your country may be ready to join the EU.
 

Guest - Observer
2010-03-18 23:00:50
  So I guess Erdogan is a historian now? He did accuse Israel of committing genocide against the Palestinians, and likewise the Chinese against the Uyghurs. Hypocrites.
 

Guest - Orhan
2010-03-18 21:26:13
  How come my earlier comment did not see the light of day? Not good to manipulate public opinion, you know.
 

Guest - Human
2010-03-18 21:16:02
  To Risible, Here and Wow, My interest is to point out the rabble rousers who like to cause trouble by spewing hate and lies. Nothing in your posts does anything to back up the outrageous claims by Greek which are fine examples of 'Straw Men' and Risible has given a rant worthy of Greek himself. Hmmm, I wonder.
 

Guest - artak
2010-03-18 17:56:40
  quoted from 'Memoirs of Halide Edib': "There are two factors which lead man to the extermination of his kind: the principles advocated by the idealists, and the material interest which the consequences of doing so afford certain classes. The idealists are more dangerous, for one is obliged to respect them even if one cannot agree with them. Talaat was of that kind. I saw Talaat very rarely after Armenian deportations. I remember well one day when he nearly lost his temper in discussing the question and said in a severe tone: "Look here, Halide Hanum. I have a heart as good as yours, and it keeps me awake at night to think of the human suffering. But that is a personal thing, and I am here on this earth to think of my people and not of sensibilities. If Macedonian or Armenian leader gets the chance and the excuse he never neglects it. There was an equal number of Turks and Moslems massacred during the Balkan war, yet the world kept a criminal silence. I have the conviction that as long as the nation does the best for its own interests, and succeeds, the world admires it and thinks it moral..." Sorry, dear Turkish readers, he describes the person that he was and getting rid of Armenians was his intent.
 

Guest - Tolga
2010-03-18 13:40:50
  America, France and Sweden Lets have a vote that aliens built lets say Asia so we can keep say the Armenian lobby happy, as politicians we may lose our jobs don't worry about fact or actual historical events. This is a very dangerous era for the human race. i am scared to see how influential lobby groups actually are. So who is running France and Sweden or the USA. If you asked a local citizen in either one of those countries where Armenia was, they wouldn't even know. PLEASE LETS LEAVE HISTORY TO THE HISTORIANS IF IT IS PROVEN LET IT BE SO, DONT LET CORRUPT LOBBY GROUPS AND POLITITIANS SPOIL OUR LIVES.
 

Guest - evee
2010-03-18 13:23:01
  To greywolf....I agree with you...By the way im christian.
 

Guest - evee
2010-03-18 13:17:41
  Greg,Can i please just say..I find your rant insulting to the Turkish people.Personally i do not think the Otterman Turks used genocide on the Armenians and maybe Erdogan is going about this the wrong way....Europe should also concentrate on it's own problems(which are many)and leave Turkey alone.
 

Guest - oh goodie!
2010-03-18 12:54:52
  Does this apply to all illegal workers? That means all the illegal english teachers, or actually, backpackers pretending to be teachers, will have to shove off? Great! Now we can have real teachers doing the job as it should be done instead of flea bags who don't shower, iron their clothes, comb their hair. And they call themselves expats. Interesting. Why is it i wonder, that when we say 'immigrant' western people immediately think of a colored person? That is something you need to think on. Didn't mean to burst your bubble, but you are also immigrants. Illegal workers also. Have a nice day.
 

Guest - Wow
2010-03-18 12:50:17
  I cannot believe this! I thought Greek was talking from the wrong end. But this is not even all of it. Read this, and then do a google search on the subject. This stuff is widespread. And for those who are very sensitive about the armenians in turkey today, read how they are treated in britain. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/asylumseekers-abused-by-security-guards-says-report-1920094.html
 

Guest - Here
2010-03-18 12:39:18
  Ok. I guess this was the link Greek was referring to. It did take some digging up but here we go. For those who would like to pick fault with this and the statements made by some, i would say leave it out. This article speaks for itself. In what it says. And what's between the lines. This is a disgrace. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/mar/14/asylum-torture-evidence-ignored
 

Guest - duyum
2010-03-18 12:22:37
  General Bronsart von Schellendorf , "A Witness for Talat Pasha," Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, July 24, 1921: "Since all the able Moslem men were in the army, it was easy for the Armenians to begin a horrible slaughter of the defenseless Moslem inhabitants in the area. They ... simply cleaned out the Moslem inhabitants in those areas. They performed gruesome deeds, of which I, as an eye witness honestly say that they were much worse than what Turks have been accused of as an Armenian atrocity." Muslim dead deserve to be recognised too! All wars are genocide - If only the dead of one side are counted!
 

Guest - duyum
2010-03-18 12:21:01
  Mikael Kaprilian, Armenian revolutionary leader, in Yerevan, 1919. : "The Armenians did exterminate the entire Muslim population of Russian Armenia as Muslims were considered inferior to the Armenians by the prominent leaders of the Dashnaks." Muslim dead deserve to be recognised too! All wars are genocide - If only the dead of one side are counted!
 

Guest - duyum
2010-03-18 12:19:45
  Lewis Einstein, "Inside Constantinople – A (Diplomat's) Diary During the Dardanelles Expedition, April-September, 1915,". 1917, p. 68; John Murray, London. : "There is little news from the interior save that the Russians have entered Van. The contingent is mostly composed of Armenian volunteers who fight with desperate courage, but whose excesses have shocked even the Russian commanders." Muslim dead deserve to be recognised too! All wars are genocide - If only the dead of one side are counted!
 

Guest - duyum
2010-03-18 12:14:35
  Pope ,Stephen & Wheal, Elizabeth-Anne, 'Dictionary of the First World War', (1995), pg. 34. On December, 1914, Armenian extreme nationalists, "slaughtered an estimated 120,000 non-Armenians while the Turkish Army was preoccupied with mobilization". Muslim dead deserve recognition too! All wars are genocide - İf only the dead of one side are counted!
 

Guest - duyum
2010-03-18 12:12:24
  De Nogales, Rafael, 'Four Years Beneath the Crescent', Charles Scribner’s Sons (1926), pg. 44-45: "After hostilities had actually commenced, the Deputy to the Assembly for Erzerum, Garo Pasdermichan, passed over with almost all the Armenian troops and officers of the Third Army to the Russians; to return with them soon after, burning hamlets and mercilessly putting to the knife all of the peaceful Mussulman villagers that fell into their hands." Muslim dead deserve recognition too! All wars are genocide - if only the dead of one side are counted!
 

Guest - duyum
2010-03-18 12:11:00
  Hartill, Leonard Ramsden, 'Men Are Like That', The Bobbs-Merrill Co., Indianapolis (1928), pg. 133. (memoirs of Armenian Ohanus Appressian, as related by the author who worked as an agricultural specialist with the Near East Relief in Armenia and befriended Ohanus whose memoirs he captured in the book): "In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the burtality displayed, but could not make an effective protest. Some, mercifully were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw." The Muslim dead deserve recognition too! All wars are genocide - if only the dead of one side are counted!
 

Guest - duyum
2010-03-18 12:07:04
  Any and all illegal immigrants should be removed from Turkey, regardless of nationality. Asylum seekers should be taken into consideration on a case by case basis. If it is life threatening for them to be sent back to their country of origin, they should be legally allowed to stay, provided that they are of no threat to Turkey.
 

Guest - Fikret
2010-03-18 11:24:14
  Turkey has no obligation to tolerate the illegal workers. Enemies of Turkey even less.
 

Guest - Zonkey
2010-03-18 10:44:38
  Hurriyet Daily News have placed this story under their category 'Turkey - Diplomacy'. Can I respectfully suggest they find a category with a different name under which to file this and similar stories ?
 

Guest - Kangaroo
2010-03-18 10:20:35
  Dear Friends, which western nation does not deport their illegal immigrants? Here in Australia, it is done as a policy!
 

Guest - andrew
2010-03-18 10:11:16
  mr erdogan thinks he is doing armenian workers a good turnand poor turkish are missing out well mr erdogan armenia is paying turkish registered trucks to carry goods to armenia from the back door al verdi and you are making good money tough guy you close the border and work the back door typically turkish shifty move
 

Guest - vural korkmaz
2010-03-18 09:48:45
  Joseph Malkoun says: "the most comical thing in all these is that Turkey considers the "killing" of Armenians an acceptable word to use but recoils at the word of "genocide"." That is just a BS. Do not forget the fact that Ottoman Armenians joined forces with Czarist Russia and the victors of WWI and started massacring the Ottoman Moslem subjects of Eastern Anatolia while Armenians occupied some very top Ottoman goverment positions as military officers, generals and cilivilian administrators as ministers, majors, governors, etc. and there was nobody in the Ottoman administration of Turkish stock. Do not forget, Ottoman Empire was never a democraticlly elected representative of Turks nor any other people even though it was run by people of non-Turkish origins. Not a single Ottoman sultan was a given birth by a Turkish woman. It was by design every Ottoman sultan kept no Turkish woman in his harem. Also Ottoman sultan kept Turks out of its ranks. Remember the Jannissarie? They were all taken from Christian families as levies at young ages and trained to be Ottoman pashas, governors, mayor, ministers, militaryy and civilian officers just to keep Turks out of power and control of Ottoman affairs. So, It is very wrong and unfair to bitch about Turks for the sins of Ottoman Empire. Most likely Armenian high officails in Ottoman administration contributed WWI era decisions which moved Armenians who were massacring Moslems in Easter Anatolia to other parts of Ottoman provinces.
 

Guest - YOUSUFF
2010-03-18 09:41:40
  guest workers?some one used this word i have to laugh out loud.do you know whats mean by guest worker and illegal worker?illegal can involved in any crime no way of tracing them up.he as a prime minister have the right to expel all the undocumented workers.so do every country.i m pro migration friendly as long as u enter and leave the country thru airports with proper visa.illegals are menace.even if they come from war torn places they should atleast identify to the authority for asylum
 

Guest - Türk
2010-03-18 08:38:45
  To those who do not like the idea of Turkey expelling 100 000 illegal Ermenians back to Ermenia, Get the doors of your own countries opened , we will send those 100 000 jobless Ermenians to your countries with pleasure.. Come on , lets see how serious and humanist you are...( while in Germany some very human and democratic Germans still killing LEGAL and innocent Turkish workers )
 

Guest - MARK
2010-03-18 08:25:12
  @M&M-Your interesting post turned to humor when you stated that illegal aliens are shot or returned to Mexico. They ARE returned to Mexico...not shot. This is the kind of irrational and misleading statements that makes your future posts not to be taken seriously.
 

Guest - alvaro
2010-03-18 08:01:00
  The threat made by Mr. Erdogan is contraproductive. The turkish people need to understand that the murder of more than one millon christians in the beginning of world war I is something that is a historical fact. As I understand it Turkey want´s to join the EU. But with this kind of threats many Eurpeans feel that Turkey don´t deserve to be part of the union. Imagine if the rasist in Europe would say that if you kick out the Armenians, well then Eurpean countries kick out all turks. It´s absurd and the wrong way to go. We should remember that we are all sons of Abraham. The sad thing is that many muslims seems to have a hard time respecting that fact because we christians are persecuted and murdered in many muslim countries. Iraq is only one sad example of that. Erdogans threat to kick out the Armenians only give the European rasists the arguments to say that Turkey don´t belong in the EU and that is sad result of Erdogans chauvinistic rhetoric.
 

Guest - George
2010-03-18 07:58:10
  Notice what the Turkish prime minister said in England : “There are currently 170,000 Armenians living in our country. Only 70,000 of them are Turkish citizens, but we are tolerating the remaining 100,000. If necessary, I may have to tell these 100,000 to go back to their country because they are not my citizens.” He said "they are not my citizens" What does this "my citizens" tells you about the mentality of the prime minister other than that he thinks like an ottoman autocrat who owns his "citizens". There where he gives himself away to the entire world --each and every time his true nature and cryptic intent overrides his logic. All his talk about democracy and all that is only a facade. That's the real man.
 

Guest - suleyman
2010-03-18 07:40:43
  whats wrong with airing some turkish views on this matter, what is wrong with this media outlet? Deport all these illegals and close the gates for good.
 

Guest - nostro
2010-03-18 07:31:40
  Hovsep Mardirossian says " Turkish leadership in spite of its "European" looks still thinks of deportations as a sensible policy ! " ........Finally an Armenian calling it a deportation(temporary resettlement of Ottoman-Armenians during World War I because so many of them were all to eager to actively aid and side with the enemy) or a Fruedian slip of the tongue. In any case deep down Armenians know it was not a "genocide." Now isn't it time for Other Armenians to finally admit this truth.....But because Turkiye is of that misunderstood and much feared religion of Islam and Armenians are Christians the West is all to eager and Armenians all to opportunistic to try and do to Turkiye what they couldn't do during that War. And to add to it news stories are coming out about terrorist PKK camps in the heart of Europe. And to think these same self righteous Europeans give Turkiye advice on democracy. Oh My, talk about hypocrisy, please at least spare us the hypocrisy.
 

Guest - ramesh
2010-03-18 07:16:36
  Turkey is useing these illegals as cheap labourand just maybe ,trying to lessen the guilt on its colective guilty conseince.
 

Guest - M&M
2010-03-18 07:10:12
  To Joseph Malkoun; I'll answer your question, since you have no clue what really has happened, so called Armenian Genocide if you want to address it that way, is committed by Armenians, yes,as they brought this upon themselves by trying to occupy eastern part of Turkiye and attacking innocent people and villages in a cowerdly manner with the help of Russian army, French, British and so on every one who was involved in first world one wanted a piece of this land but did they little know, Turks are fighters, with whatever they had in their hands they kicked shall we say ass. Sooo, they're sore loosers. Unfortunately lot's of innocent Armenians who lived in Turkiye got killed by the hands of their Armenians the ones that crossed the border and lots of innoccent Turkish people who were trying to defend their country and they did to their last drop of blood. Turks are admitting to killings because of defending themselves, THIS WAS WAR!!! They did not go after the Armenians like Hitler did trying eliminate a race or religion, innocent people with no intention of invading anybodies territory. Armenians never owned a land in Turkiye, Turks were in Turkiye thousands of years go we can start with Hittites and they were conqured by other civilisations and lastly it came came to the rightful owners who were there before anybody, the Turks. So Armenians should really look in the mirror and ask themselves who were the real perpetrators, they dug up the whole and burried themselves in it and now they're crying and asking the world of nations to side with their lies and pass the genocide resolution, pleaaase get a hold of yourself.
 

Guest - Kardes
2010-03-18 06:56:08
  Enough tears have already been shed concerning ALL the suffering that the Armenians and Turks inflicted on each other in those insane days. Warring cultures commit horrible crimes against each other. No single country can claim they are clean from this tragic behavior, or above these acts of multiple murders. Both countries should stop crying NOW about things that happened in the past over which they have no control. Enough tears. Enough accusations. Enough delusion that either people are too good to have done these horrible things. You are brothers in your false pride, twisting of stories, self-rightious attitudes, denial and demands for unrealistic outcomes. Hold hands as two great cultures that have made dreadful mistakes, but whom are both even greater because you have found a way to leave them behind. Otherwise, you are both worth nothing, and will remain trapped by your past errors.
 

Guest - George
2010-03-18 06:00:00
  Once again the Armenian people (please underline the word people) in Turkey are facing the threat of being used as a scapegoat by the politicians, Ottoman or not. But, the prime minister I think just talks big and he knows that very well for more than certainly the world would censure Turkey by criticizing it vehemently. Regarless however, one more point now against Turkey in the eyes of the world once again. Personally I don't see how the EU can accept a country like this that outloudly, and daringly, demonstrates to the world that is not willing to learn.
 

Guest - PublicOpinion
2010-03-18 04:01:32
  What Turkish public opinion think about this irresponsible outburst will determine what the world will think of Turkey.
 

Guest - artak
2010-03-18 03:17:15
  Hey, let's send these Armenians (mostly women) to Der Zor, Syria(same place that their ancestors were sent in 1915). By foot only. And let's see what happens to them. If they die, then Armenian Genocide did happen, if they do not die, then Armenian Genocide did not happen. What on earth can beat a live experiment(especially on humans)? On a more sober note, Gordon Brown should have squeezed Mr. Erdogan's hand under the table when the later said these things. What a shame, you lose on front, you take revenge on innocent people. Enver lost in Sarigamish, came back and blamed Armenians.
 

Guest - Ergun Tok
2010-03-18 01:14:45
  With all due respect I highly suggest our PM Erdogan, before he opens his mouth he should consult Ahmet Davudoglu. Because every time he make a statement concerning our international relations either he makes new enemies or he makes himself ridicilus as in the case: "He is a Muslim therefore he can not commit Genocite" or "My ancestors were Muslims too therefore can not commit genocite" He can not even see that deporting 100000 Armenians is going to enforce Armenian Diasporas hands. Why he can not say: "100000 Armenians are living here unlawfully but we do not touch them and we do not deported them, we have nothing against Armenians". That's statesmanship. What he is saying is ignorance. Ergun Tok
 

Guest - Yannis
2010-03-18 00:25:25
  Turkey needs media advisors to understand how the west thinks and how they perceive such comments. I'm available.
 

Guest - B. Baronian
2010-03-18 00:06:03
  Mr. Erdogan should carry his threat through and expel the Armenians from Turkey...except this time, he should please provide proper transportation. I'd love to see this on CNN..wouldn't you?
 

Guest - Hard Truths
2010-03-17 23:04:20
  As an American who has supported Turkey as an ally, and has hoped for the aspirations of its people to catch-up to the richer nations of the world as a secular, democratic nation; I am apalled by the continuous and needlessly antagonistic comments by Mr. Erdogan. His most recent comments about ejecting illegal Armenians in Turkey is certainly the right of Turkey. No nation needs to allow illegal immigration. However, I wonder what he would say if Germany expelled the 2 million plus Turks, most of whom were (or still are) illegal. The comments by one of the responders about poor Turkey being invaded by Christian armies is ridiculous. Turkey (under the Ottoman Empire), allied itself with undemocratic dictatorships and monarchies in World War I who invaded other nations. In turn, Turkey found itself on the losing end of a war due to its own poor judgment. Don't re-write history, and twist facts. Mr Erdogan needs to quit with the schizophrenic swings between self-pity and lashing out at anyone who has ever called Turkey a friend. Instead he is steadily allying Turkey with every despostic, dictatorial and fanatic regime that he can find. I agree with those who think Turkey has gone off the tracks under Mr Erdogan, and will simply sink any hopes it has of joining the EU. In turn, it will lose its western democratic allies, and devolve into a poor, backwards, militaristic, fundamentalist nation doomed to drive its populace in poverty and humiliation. Quit the whining, grow up, appreciate your friends, and join the modern family of nations.
 

Guest - Ash
2010-03-17 22:53:58
  So the turks are going to kick Armenians off of their motherland once again... What a surprise! Hopefully they won't try to systematically kill them all this time around
 

Guest - Jacob Edelman
2010-03-17 22:29:40
  The Prime Minister of Turkey is undoubtedly an astute politician when it comes to internal politics but apparently either a novice in the international arena or unable to keep quiet when it is necessary to keep quiet. Two years ago he created a stir in Davos when he could have said the same thing to the Israelis in a less offensive fashion. Now he threatens the Armenians working illegally in Turkey with ... deportation . Does he ignore the importance of words and the resonance this word has for many European ears ? Since he said these things on BBC yesterday I have seen and read the reaction of people in mass media outlets and of course on Facebook and Twitter. Mr. Erdogan is not winning the popularity contest there and is bringing shame on Turkey at the same time.
 

Guest - MM
2010-03-17 22:14:38
  Hello - The Armenian archives have never been closed. Most archives related to the Genoiced are located in the Matenadaran.
 

Guest - Lanterne Rouge
2010-03-17 21:43:01
  I am not "upset" by the truth, just bemused. Another comment has dealt with the links Greek posted so I won't revisit it. He did start the issue by saying it was yesterday's news then provided a link from 2006... The fact remains that none of the links support his thesis that there is a systematic policy of raping women, torturing men and "violating" childern (whatever that means). Everyone is aware of some dreadful instances that have taken place but this truth is a long, long way away from Greek's claims, which he well knows. It is also completely irrelevant to the issue of whether Erdogan's comments are really going to help anyone in this sensitive topic. But as usual, few people seem able to debate the topics in a rational, civilised way. May be that is the root of the whole problem.
 

Guest - Garo Avedis
2010-03-17 21:21:08
  Sure Erdogan,now thats really will solve the problem,what a smart move.
 

Guest - Risible
2010-03-17 21:16:41
  You guys can't handle it when the boot is on the other foot, so you resort to personal insults. So someone called greek decides to post comments painting turkey in positive light, and you attack the nationality of this person. Besides, america is simply an offshoot of britain in any case even though britain is now the junior partner, or, attack dog, for want of a better word. The cases of rape on immigrants are in the hundreds, but you wouldn't want that in your FREE PRESS now would you? Look into your own murky history, and present actions. Western states are guilty of genocide here and now. And you want to talk about armenia? Iraq, Palestine, afghanistan, latin america, africa, asia pacific, the list is endless. While we are at it, america stands as the ONLY country to be found guilty of state sponsored terrorism in history by the international courts of justice. What have you to day to this? So please, use SOME, not all, but just SOME common sense before engaging in discourse of this nature. And as one of the guests said, GET A LIFE. Over a million dead in iraq and you want to talk about genocide which didn't occur. All this talk is just another projection of the west's hatred of it's own shadows.
 

Guest - greg
2010-03-17 21:14:34
  To Greywolf. Your diatribe was the exact same one used by ottomon leaders to justify the elimination of the armenian community in the early 20th century. Your rant and your attitude can be traced right back as the political factor that led to the deportation and extermination. you yourself are living proof that there is in turkish political culture the capability and pre-disposition. Thank you so much for helping us build the international consensus that yes, what happened to the armenians was essentially the same thing that happened to the Bosnian muslims, the Rwandan tutsi's, the people of Darfur, and the list goes on, and on, and on...
 

Guest - Hamasdegh
2010-03-17 21:06:59
  PM Erdogan could not have done a bigger disservice to Turkey and still a greater favor to the Armenian cause. By using such incendiary rhetoric the Prime Minister has made a mockery of Turkey's claim to be a democratic country intent on having "zero problems with neighbors". On the other hand, since he made this announcement on BBC yesterday every single newspaper, wire service, TV station in the world, in addition to Twitter and Facebook are full of comments reflecting negatively on Mr. Erdogan's position and threats, while at the same time providing background information and explanation as to what the Armenian Genocide is and was historically. Mr. Erdogan could not be happier under these circumstances !
 

Guest - Wolf
2010-03-17 21:02:01
  A deportation would a total disaster for everybody involved. For the poor Armenians, probably living under hard conditions allready, a deportation would certainly be terrible. For Turkey, it would have two negative consequences, 1) loss of work force and 2) it would have terrible PR effects. Just imagine when the big international TV channels follow how these people, many of them in a terrible state, are forced by the police. Everything in front of the TV cameras of the world and the viewers with the American voting in mind. The damage on our international repuation would be severe. So another lose-lose situation. Sad.
 

Guest - Reality
2010-03-17 20:21:22
  It is amazing that armenian diaspora can spend in billions in the US and EU to manipulate the world opinion about the war time happenings as if they have been nothing but fully truthful about it all. But by the same token they totally ignore their blood relatives that live in one of the most brutal and corrupt societies, Armenia. It seems that it is the ultimate irresponsibility they exercise by not helping Armenia prosper by aiding them instead they prefer to influence governments, elected officals around the world by supporting their personal agendas and donating monies, just so they can get resolutions passed. I hope they wake up and smell the roses one day! Once the hateful elderly has passed on, the younger generations will have apoligize for their ignorance for their inability to provide the young a better perspective about life than teach them to hate Turks and pass resolutions.
 

Guest - Gavur
2010-03-17 20:15:56
  Good stuff, Mr. Priminister. It took a while, but we finally got a glimpse as to what makes you tick. Now, would this be a real deportation or a "Turkish" deportation?
 

Guest - greg
2010-03-17 19:59:04
  Joseph. to answer your question, according to my grandma, who was gangraped along with her family on the highway outside Harput, it was individuals wearing the uniform of the ottomon turkish army. that is eye-witness, not hear-say.
 

Guest - greg
2010-03-17 19:56:09
  Hey Alex. For answers to your question, ask a jew who still calls germany home why they choose to stay there. Also, explain to this good audience the point you thought you were trying to make by reminding us that there are still armenians left in turkey, in spite of the ottomon government's best efforts.
 

Guest - The Great Atilla
2010-03-17 19:38:59
  OK, what part of illegal immigrants do you people not understand? The US has a problem with illegal Latino immigrants and they should be doing something to kick them all out. Just because these undocumented workers want a better life, doesn't mean they have to come here illegally. It seems as though the word illegal when it comes to immigration does not register. Since these Armenians are in Turkey illegally, then Turkish authorities have all the right to arrest them and deport them back to Armenia. Just like the US has the right to arrest illegal Hispanic migrants and send them back to whatever country they originally came from.
 

Guest - James
2010-03-17 19:29:43
  And the genocidal sentiment against Armenians continues in the Turkish government.
 

Guest - greywolf
2010-03-17 19:14:27
  katie and the majority of all of you. you know we are very aggressive when people like you lot and especially christians which the majority of you are start slating turks and turkey continuously without any proof of this so called genocide rubbish, why is it the armnenians don't open their archives to proffessionals to check like turkey has, do you lot not get it the turks were invaded by numerous christian countries and your fighting for survival you tend to fight vigourously which is what happened and the back stabbing armenians saying they were hard done by after they were the ones that joined the russians against us. hundreds of thousands of muslims and turks were killed during the conflict do you here us whinging continuously it is getting too much and boring give it a rest go and get your countries up and going and improve yourselves instead of asking for handouts.and all you people who keep commenting on this issue what proof have you got it happened? get a life the lot of you.
 

Guest - Human
2010-03-17 19:13:39
  Greek states: "What Turkey does not do, as britain does, is to hold illegal immigrants in detention centers, otherwise known as prisons, where women are raped daily, men tortured, and children violated." He later provides links in an effort to justify the rant. If you look at these links, two refer to the same case of an immigration official trying to use his position to gain sexual favours ( this is ONE person); another link is about someone being acquitted of rape; the third is about prison abuse and rape in the US (not the UK). So the rant is not justified. I would draw your attention to a website which shows how people use fallacious arguments to try to justify themselves. http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html Incidently, I do not believe that the pseudonym 'Greek' has anything to do with the nationality of the contributor.
 

Guest - VTiger
2010-03-17 19:12:45
  You have to understand that such utterings by the prime minister refreshes our feelings of distrust of Turkey. Pure Blackmail! If any other country's prime minister utters such idiocy, where hundreds of thousands of Turkish guestworkers live & work they will immediately be labelled as anti-Islam, racist, etc...
 

Guest - Greek
2010-03-17 19:06:52
  1. Killing Hope-William Blum 2. Rogue State- William Blum 3. The Invention of Ancient Israel- Keith Whitelam 4. All titles by Noam Chomsky Many more but these should suffice for now.
 

Guest - Joseph Malkoun
2010-03-17 18:58:52
  The most comical thing in all these is that Turkey considers the "killing" of Armenians an acceptable word to use but recoils at the word of "genocide". So can I ask the question? Who were these "killers" that brought about the violent demise of 1.5 million Armenians and uprooted them from their land and for what? Why is it that "killings" is acceptable ?
 

Guest - brooklyn
2010-03-17 18:56:16
  "Expel Armenian....???" WHAT???? It's like filming a movie "GENOCIDE: Take 2!!!"
 

Guest - Hovsep Mardirossian
2010-03-17 18:32:48
  PM Erdogan has got two problems. One of them exaggerating the number of illegal Armenians in Turkey.The second one is continuing a rhetoric that reminds us Armenians that Turkish leadership in spite of its "European" looks still thinks of deportations as a sensible policy ! Bravo !
 

Guest - Emir Soler
2010-03-17 18:26:08
  Let me start by saying that is no proof of genocide, against Armenians in Turkey. British censors are the proof; it was less than 1 million Armenians were living in Turkey during WW1. Total nonsense, how long since politicians are historians? One politician in USA and one politician in Sweden can not change the course of history. History should be left to the historians, not to crook self beneficial politicians. Armenian Diaspora in USA worth $10 billion, they spend $400 Million on their propaganda every year, they turn the bogus so called genocide to a multi billion industry, and they will never succeed
 

Guest - Unsal
2010-03-17 18:23:45
  Thank you for the links Greek. Just goes to show that all the meddlers need to worry about their own house first.
 

Guest - Christoph
2010-03-17 17:47:12
  What a mean-spirted comment from Erdogan. These undocumented workers are not a drain on the Turkish treasury, 99% of them are gainfully employed. Erdogan demonstrates once again he can put his mouth into Drive while his brain remains in Park.
 

Guest - Murat
2010-03-17 17:34:16
  Disgusting. Leave these people alone. Has nothing to do with the issue at hand. They are people of these lands practically.
 

Guest - M&M
2010-03-17 17:15:04
  To Katie: To answer your question on your comment, "was it the Armenians fault France, America & Sweden voted in their favor", yes it was and still is, because all they do is bribe, lie, cheat and cry at their door step until those politicians have enough and submitt to their lies and of course with a large amount of money. Lies+money+politicians= votes in favor of the Armenians. I don't agree with Mr. Erdogan in so many ways but these people are illegal, they cross the border to make ends meet, Turkish govt' overlooked their illegal crossings and let them earn some money so they can support their families in Armenia and themselves. These Armenian diaspora who are supposedly so patriotic and so concerned, why don't they send all their money to Armenia help their half starved people, help with the economy so their country and people will be in a better situation. Act decent ,stop with lies and return the occupied territories to their rightful owners and establish peace, may be the borders can be opened and the Turkish govt. doesn't have to deal with illegal Armenians, they can come and go any way they want. US of America has many innocent Mexican illegal people who cross the border, if they're caught they're either shot or send them back to Mexico. At least Turks are not doing that. So stop picking on the Turks as I always say, the truth shall prevail and once and for all, the nations who voted for these resolutions will abolish the bill, they're catching on these politicians who take bribes.
 

Guest - Fool that I'm
2010-03-17 16:33:52
  Guest SAM - The illegal domestic worker exchange has been there for years now. For some reason or other, families that hire the foreign workers preffer them. These workers work as housekeepers care for elderly or take care of young children. The whole country is aware of this condition. This threat by the PM equals of TAKING HOSTAGES, do you or your officials, at any level in the government, this threat equaLS TO taking hostages, THE INTENT IS TO FORCE THE OPONNETS HAND. iT PUTS tURKEY AND tURKS IN A VERY, VERY, VERY NEGATIVE LIGHT. It vgives support to the Armenia claim about the Turkey. This action would be beyond all reason!!!!!
 

Guest - vural korkmaz
2010-03-17 16:23:37
  If Armenians really believe and have evidence for what they are claiming against Turks, they should go to the International Court. I dare them. But I do not think they will. They are only capable of murdering innocent Turkish diplomats. Armenians even turned down Turkish Government's offer to set up an inquiry of independent experts to investigate their claims. By the way, if Armenians won't do such a thing as going to the International Court or an inquiry by independent experts, Turkish government should do just that to close the matter for good. So far Turks have been very defensive on this matter. They only do counter claims against what Armenians claim. If Turks and Turkish Government really believe and have evidence against Armenian claims, Turkish Government should either go to the International Court or set up an inquiry by independent experts without Armenians. I dare Turkish Government.
 

Guest - Bruno
2010-03-17 16:21:26
  " I'm not obliged to keep them in my country" - yes, Mr Erdogan, Turkey is your very own country, your very own property and you can do whatever you like and behave in the most silly way and pretend to be the new sultan. I trust a good many Turks will be quite upset by the arrogance of this man who lacks any sense of manners, let alone diplomacy. In most countries the political parties would make sure such a president would have to resign. Turkey may be an exception ...
 

Guest - Greek
2010-03-17 16:15:03
  http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2006/may/21/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=male-rape-chief-clear&method=full&objectid=20329567&siteid=93463-name_page.html http://www.justdetention.org/pdf/NoRefugeHere.pdf http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sexforasylum-scandal-breaks-at-immigration-hq-479103.html These are just a few. Now please do your own homework. This is not EVEN the tip of the iceberg. You mention isolated cases? This is WIDESPREAD. Imagine, imagine even ONE case in Turkey like this. You would be declaring war within minutes. I'm done. Leave you all to it.
 

Guest - Greek
2010-03-17 16:02:54
  Alas. It seems this is getting personal. In any case, I did not post here to gain or lose credibility. You mention you cannot find the source? I suggest you look again, i cannot, for some reason, put the link up here. Also, you mention isolated cases. I cannot fathom how this sentence ended up, from your brain, to the keyboard, and onto this blog. My word, have you even heard of what has and is still happening in Iraq, GAZA!! Until such time as you come out of your splendid isolation, this conversation is going nowhere. There have been numerous reports on times online, guardian, telegraph, the independent and others. You either do not read or are engaging in a weak attempt at sophistry. Whatever the case may be, i suggest in refraining from personal attacks and lets deal with the subject at hand. Credibility? I wasn't aware you held me in such high regard prior to falling from grace in your eyes.
 

Guest - M.Yakut
2010-03-17 16:01:00
  Is the laws work in Turkey to deliver justice and order or Mr.Erdogan's words? The recent events have shown the fact that It seems the latter! It is certainly not wrong to apply the laws where it is necessary. It is OK to find people overstaying their visas and return them back to their country. It is bad and disgusting by-pass the laws and let people overstay their visas as it fits to political purposes of Mr.Erdogan. It is disgustingly and scary to link overstaying of Armenians with so called Armenian Genocide and use it as threat. This does not happen in countries even with a trace of Democracy. Apparently Mr.Erdogan is not after democracy or human rights but clearly he pursues politically something else.
 

Guest - GeneralSherman
2010-03-17 15:50:48
  Brottarn and Lantern Rouge seem to have been upset by the truth.
 

Guest - Brottarn
2010-03-17 15:45:18
  I would just suggest that the 'guest Geek' should under no conditions be taken seriously after his comment: 'britain does, is to hold illegal immigrants in detention centers, otherwise known as prisons, where women are raped daily, men tortured, and children violated.' This is such an misrepresentation that 'greek' has lost any kind of credibility. Anyone realizes that anywhere in the world individuals do wrong, but to bring that up and to describe in the way Greek is doing goes beyond any kind decency. If you take a single event and then bring ut up as if it was common practice and sanctioned by the state, well then you can find the most horrble actions anywhere in the world. But since Greek has no intention at all to discuss the issue in a honest and grownup way, I just suggest that the best is to disregard his strange view of the world. And please note, just because he acts like that, it does not mean the the entire Greece is doing it. Just an individual case.
 

Guest - Lanterne Rouge
2010-03-17 15:42:14
  @Greek. I do follow UK news very closely and missed this story. I have just done a search of the Guardian website and can find nothing about it, although there is a story from yesterday about disgusting treatment handed out to 8 Iraqis in a detention centre in Iraq during the Iraq War. While this is a terrible event, it seems quite far from your claim. There have undoubtedly been incidences of physical and racial abuse in UK detention centres but you are implying there is some sort of systematic pattern of rape and torture. Perhaps you can point us to a link to this story. If you cannot, may be you should retract your claims?
 

Guest - noname
2010-03-17 15:41:32
  if he expels the rmenian illegal people turkey has to accept the illegal people that every day they sent to the the greece and now they did not accept them back right?
 

Guest - M.Yakut
2010-03-17 15:15:11
  Apparently Mr.Erdogan playing deportation card against so called Armenian Genocide claims and clearly threatening Armenians. This is a childish, ignorant, arrogant,immature, inhumane, totalitarian, behavior. This is why Turks always loosing their ground in front of the Armenians who successfully pursue their so called Armenian Genocide claims. Instead of bring our position forward using logic, law, science, relational and rational thinking, questioning, positive communications that bases themselves on secular and progressive foundations, we threaten, transfer the issue to God and expect God to solve our issue. Threatening poor people, such as Mr.Erdogan does, for something for which they have no responsibility is unacceptable. Stating that "No one can can make me say that Muslims do not commit Genocide" (Mr.Erdogan) an interview in the USA 2009, does not help us to defend ourselves successfully. Why does Mr.Erdoagan do that? Is he just careless or he has an agenda to give upper hand to the Armenians and so called Armenian Genocide claim supporters?
 

Guest - Greek
2010-03-17 15:11:44
  I will not make this personal. So it may be prudent to check YESTERDAY'S news in the UK. Then you may return to this site and give an INFORMED response. It appears everyone is aware of this fact except those who do not read a great deal of british news. This news was on the guardian newspaper yesterday, has been reported for years by human rights organizations, but you appear blissfully unaware to this fact. While you are busy reading, I also suggest you read up on the court case in the UK where immigration officials in Surrey, have been taking the details off computers of attractive women who are seeking visas, and then proceed to call them at night, in order to gain bedroom favors in exchange for a visa. Civilization you say? Barbaric says the world. Go fix your own problems before interfering with Turkey.
 

Guest - Bill
2010-03-17 14:55:48
  will he expel them on foot?
 

Guest - Misak
2010-03-17 14:51:35
  Dear Mr. Erdogan! Congratulations! You repeat the way of your ancestry. You are deporting Armenians because they are Armenians. The same as in 1915. You even don't understand.
 

Guest - MCB
2010-03-17 14:39:03
  Greek: "where women are raped daily, men tortured, and children violated" What complete rubbish. Deal in facts not fantasy. This clearly shows that you lack the intelligence to participate sensibly in debate.
 

Guest - GIORGOS K
2010-03-17 14:25:47
  Some things never change in Turkey...one of them is the extremism of the official state against the everyday people....When Turkey does not like the decisions taken it always turns its agressiveness against everyday people..The same happened with the Greeks of Istanbul in the 50s....Turkey is NOT ready for Europe yet! Turkey is not safe even for its Turkish citizens....! I hope Mr Erdogans does what he threats he intends to do..He will then so to everyone the real face of Turkish diplomacy! How wise to expel poor families of workers with children simply because you want to take..revenge for political decisions in the USA or Sweden...On the other hand if Greece eg threatend to expell all the muslims of Thrace because of the violations of air space of Greece by turkish air crafts, the casus belli for our right to extend our sea territory to 12 miles ets..then Erdogan would accuse Greece for extremism...Noone will ever understand how the Turkish goverments think!!!
 

Guest - dr p
2010-03-17 14:22:46
  an interesting paradox here: any nation is well within its rights to deport illegal aliens, but i was stationed in germany when turkish gastarbeiters were being mistreated despite doing the work which germans believed beneath them. interesting turnabout, no? mr erdogan's timing says it all in that he will retaliate for not getting his way even though turkey may be hurt; i suppose the brits are all getting loose stools over their genocide bill and the wrath of erdogan.
 

Guest - zynell
2010-03-17 14:19:30
  Who is to blame for this dead lock? The European philanthrops or the American `homo perfekto beneficaris` , NO! Inner political hypocrisy from the Armenian Diaspora. These people live in their built up luxury far away from Jeriwan - with them belly full - and trying to play global Chess with the Armenian state and people.The poor ones are the real Armenians from Armenian soil, not them from Sweden, Switzerland, USA etc...They try to bombard and harm Turkey, but this will not work. Why actually doesnt the Armenian diaspora influence ask their parlaments and politicians to give these illegal Armenians from Turkey asylum. USA, Sweden, France would be delighted to have more Armenians....
 

Guest - sam
2010-03-17 13:56:13
  If you come to Turkey you will always be welcome ... BUT NOT WITHOUT A PASSPORT !!! which country allows that ??? at least we dont have holding cells like the US or France. go to those countries and see how they treat illegal aliens then you will be begging to come back to Turkey !
 

Guest - sam
2010-03-17 13:52:57
  if Greece, Germany, France, the EU, Australia, US etc etc ... locks up illegal aliens (foreigners without approval to enter another country) why is it that Turkey cant do the same ??? are you all hypercritical !!! or is that that one rule for you and another for an Islamic country ??? I have always said that Turkey is multicultural and that her citizens have all their rights the matter what the background, but NOT for illegals !!!
 

Guest - Greek
2010-03-17 13:38:05
  Here we go again. Turkey has the right to expel any illegal worker it chooses to. What Turkey does not do, as britain does, is to hold illegal immigrants in detention centers, otherwise known as prisons, where women are raped daily, men tortured, and children violated. This has been reported by the british media after YEARS of cover ups. And you all have the gall to question Turkey on its treatment of foreigners. You would even like to cause, as you have been trying to a long while, to cause trouble with your games between Turkey and it's neighbors. I am greek, and i have always been treated like family in this country. I have my opinions, which are worth little. What is worthy are facts o the ground. And here, in Turkey, on the ground, while not perfect, it remains as one of the MOST hospitable countries in the world. If you don't like it, go BACK to where you came from. This armenian issue is about MONEY. Just like israel is milking germany up to this very day, armenians suddenly have these illusions, or delusions of grandeur. Don't mess about with Turkey. They are the best friends to have.
 

Guest - Mister Ed
2010-03-17 13:28:27
  The Man does not seem to understand that these people are doing jobs that no self-respecting Turk wants to do. Why not send all foreigners living in Turkey, whose countries have passed pro-Armenian resolutions, home? It would be of great help to purify the Turkish race!
 

Guest - asker
2010-03-17 12:43:42
  good move from erdogan...
 

Guest - Brottarn
2010-03-17 12:40:35
  @ Guest - Alex 2010-03-17 12:22:02. So your question is just 'why do Armenians liven in Turkey?' And what is so interesting with that and how is it related to the article? Are you also going around wondering why are for example some Russians staying in Turkey, or maybe some Africans or why not some Brits? Are you also going deepled thinking about why milions of Turks have moved to Europe? Or why there are jews living in Germany. I still struggle to see the general interest in you what you declare to be food for thought. In fact I can not trace any kind of thought about it.
 

Guest - Alex
2010-03-17 12:22:02
  @ Brottan I would have thought that it's pretty clear what the point is. If this feeling is really harboured by so many Armenian people then would would they choose to live & work in Turkey? Maybe the pressure is from the outside wanting to gain some type of advantage from this tragic event in history?
 

Guest - Mesut
2010-03-17 12:19:08
  Well Erdogan is nice, the people who are working illigal are not gone get prosecuted be happy that you are brought back to your country. And yes Turkey has the right to kick you out for a reason. EU + USA vs Turkey = Turkey wins :)
 

Guest - Brottarn
2010-03-17 11:52:42
  @ Guest - Alex 2010-03-17 10:41:38. I am sorry, but exactly was your point? I simply could not understand what you were trying to say.
 

Guest - David. S
2010-03-17 11:28:39
  That's it Mr. Erdogan, respond with your usual rational and reasonable charm. Bully, Threaten, Coerce and Demand.....the Turkish language of diplomacy.
 

Guest - Garine
2010-03-17 11:20:28
  Most probably they want to re-establish on their motherland!
 

Guest - NAZIM
2010-03-17 10:59:38
  Populist cheap quotes. As if ‘spotless’ Turkey does not have currently more severe issues such as : corruption, unemployment, huge debts, human rights, freedom of speech, etc. Should Western countries threaten to expel hordes of illegal Turks back home? Needless to say that nowadays executive bodies do not say such things in the civilzed world. I do indeed question his ‘sincere attitudes’. Such a pity we had to choose only between a pseudo moderate Islam party and classic Turkish style nationalists. Well, let PM continue to undermine a bit more Turkish image abroad. Let him continue to blackmail the world. Bluff cannot always hide weaknesses.
 

Guest - Alex
2010-03-17 10:41:38
  A question, if 1,500,000 Armenians were killed by the Ottoman empire then why do so many Armenians still call Turkey their home and why do so many leave their country to work here in Istanbul. Surly they can find this type of work in other countries? Not sure that there's an answer but it's food for thought!
 

Guest - katie
2010-03-17 10:30:31
  PS, I don't understand why you show Gordon Brown in the photo, anything connected with Brown is the kiss of death. He is the most unpopular Prime minister ever known in the UK.
 

Guest - Bjarne
2010-03-17 10:27:26
  That would be the worst possible action to take. Firstly, it would be very difficult to gain respect on the international arena after such collective punishment and secondly, the guest workers are WORKING in Turkey, ie provides services and goods used by Turkey in the same way as our PM likes to talk about how the Turkish guest workers in Europe are contributing to Europe. I can not see a single good output of this for Turkey.
 

Guest - katie
2010-03-17 10:21:50
  How typical of Erdogan, any excuse to kick the Armenians ! Was it their fault France,America & Sweden voted in their favour ? By behaving the way he does, he compounds world opinion that Turks turn aggressive if they cannot have their own way.
 

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