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A model of a minaret, burning candles and a banner that reads 'This is not my Switzerland' are seen on the Bundesplatz square in front of the government's building in Bern, Switzerland. AP photo

A model of a minaret, burning candles and a banner that reads 'This is not my Switzerland' are seen on the Bundesplatz square in front of the government's building in Bern, Switzerland. AP photo

Turkey demonstrated an all-out reaction Tuesday to a Swiss ban on minarets, saying it was violating basic human rights and freedoms.

President Abdullah Gül, speaking to reporters in Ankara before departing for Jordan, said the issue should be followed seriously.

“This is a noteworthy example in terms of showing how animosity toward Islam, as we call it ‘Islamophobia,’ has been developing in the Western world. This is a disgrace for the Swiss,” said Gül.

In Parliament, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said the ban was a reflection of increasing racist and extreme nationalist waves in Europe, recalling the remarks he made earlier that Islamophobia was a crime against humanity just like anti-Semitism.

“What is the relationship of a mosque minaret with fundamentalism? That is an outdated, primitive understanding,” said Erdoğan, addressing his ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP, deputies.

His remarks came in response to the Swiss justice minister who said the ban targeted not Muslims but fundamentalism.

“The ban and making such a statement are two separate mistakes,” said Erdoğan, adding that the referendum result in a country considered the cradle of democracy and freedom worried many people.

“Such kinds of issues cannot be taken to referendum … these are rights coming from birth. I am speaking as the prime minister of a country, of a civilization that proved mosques and synagogues can co-exist on the same street for centuries,” Erdoğan said. “It is incomprehensible that while we are restoring such temples, [the Swiss] are taking such steps.”

The referendum by the nationalist Swiss People’s Party labeled minarets as symbols of rising Muslim political power that could one day transform Switzerland into an Islamic nation. The initiative was approved 57.5 to 42.5 percent during the referendum Sunday. Not only Muslims but also international organizations criticized the vote. Europe’s top human rights watchdog, the Council of Europe, indicated that the heavily criticized vote could be overturned.

Erdoğan expressed the hope that European Union member states, and such institutions as the European Court of Human Rights, would display sensitivity and would not allow the world to be dragged into tension.

“Bearing the title of co-chairman of the Alliance of Civilizations, it is my duty to remind you that it is necessary to turn back from this mistake as soon as possible,” said Erdoğan. “The world would no longer wants to see chauvinist approaches in this era.”

He said there should be a limit to what can be taken to referendum in democracies, stressing that basic rights and freedoms cannot be put to vote. “Switzerland has made a mistake. I am calling for common sense,” he said.

In a written statement, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said the Swiss vote has caused disappointment and is unfortunate. It called on Switzerland to correct the decision, adding that more than 100,000 Turks living in Switzerland were worried.

“Switzerland, having a respected place in the international arena with its tradition of respecting diversity and reconciliation, is expected by Turkey and the international community to take steps to correct this situation, which does not comply with its traditions,” the ministry said.

The opposition also criticized the ban, with Republican People’s Party, or CHP, leader Deniz Baykal considering it as an important development for Europe to question itself and its outlook toward Islam and for Turkey to question both Europe and itself.

“Europe cannot put this aside,” said the party leader in Parliament.

Nationalist Movement Party, or MHP, leader Devlet Bahçeli strongly condemned the ban and called it a "black stain on Europe's human rights and freedom of religion and conscious record." In a written statement, he said the referendum result showed Western values were confined to Christianity and discriminated against other religions.


 

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Guest - scepticalyabanci
2009-12-09 19:47:17
  Turkey criticizing a European country on human rights grounds?! This is just priceless! There are times when the word 'hypocrisy' is inadequate!
 

Guest - Williams
2009-12-03 08:28:52
  There are some very modern mosques designs like the domeless Assyafaah Mosque in Singapore designed by Singapore-based Forum Architects, that are non-traditional designs. With minarets they can could be a gallery with a ramp rotating until it reaches the top, to see a general view for the city.Both mosque and minaret designs can only be limited by ones imagination. Mosque builders in Switzerland need to focus more on designs that sit comfortably in a multiracial, multireligious country.Where are all the creative imaginative architects in Switzerland?
 

Guest - mk
2009-12-03 00:09:30
  "Swiss justice minister who said the ban targeted not Muslims but fundamentalism" “What is the relationship of a mosque minaret with fundamentalism?" "The referendum by the nationalist Swiss People’s Party labeled minarets as symbols of rising Muslim political power that could one day transform Switzerland into an Islamic nation." One of the sign of the End-Times. "Islam will prevail all over the world". Everything is being controlled by God. Either you accept it willingly or face the truth unhappily, it is going to happen.
 

Guest - Phantom
2009-12-02 23:31:47
  http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=the-8216faith-initiative8217-of-turkey-2009-11-05 Above is a link to a Hurriyet article from one month ago discussing an ancient Armenian church that was refurbished 2 years ago. As you can see from the article the Turkish authorities have just recently agreed to allow a cross to be placed atop the church and to permit worship in the church one day per year. 2 years of wrangling to put a cross back on top of an 1100 year old church, and Erdogan is complaining about human rights in Switzerland!
 

Guest - katie
2009-12-02 21:21:58
  How come Muslims are so selfish ? Why is it they never think of 'other peoples' freedoms & rights ? Demanding minarets, in a non Islamic country is unfair to non Muslims , try thinking from their point of view !!! 57% voted for the ban, get over it.
 

Guest - Guest
2009-12-02 21:17:31
  If the PM would learn how to put his foot in his mouth before he spoke, Turkey would be much better off internationally.
 

Guest - herosaint
2009-12-02 21:17:11
  When something goes wrong in Europe, Europeans can easily divert the subject to another track or say "look at yourself first Asian before critisize Europe". It is a shame. I can understand from the comments that Europeans would be very happy, for example, if Turkish parliement would pass a decree in her parliement which stipulates "crosses of churches should not be shown from outside, they must be carried inside of the churches"? I am very proud of my country that does not take such a silly steps or does not allow that critical decisions to be taken by referandums which is related to the rights of minority (not majority).
 

Guest - George
2009-12-02 13:26:41
  Agia Sophia an Orthodox Church in Istanbul built by Justinian has four minarets surrounding it. Why isnt Agia Sophia allowed to open as a Church? Muslims like Erdogan and Gul can kiss the EU goodbye,there such hypocrites.
 

Guest - David
2009-12-02 13:09:37
  Prime Minister Erdogan was very quick to point out that the election of Gul to the position of President was the democratic will of the people. Perhaps he wants a new kind of politic.....Selective Democracy. To make such a fuss about this shows a serious lack of political nous, which recently has been more and more obvious.
 

Guest - Brigitte
2009-12-02 12:52:20
  I'm a Swiss citizen and I currently feel ashamed of being so. I can't believe my fellow citizens are still so narrow minded. I used to live abroad for many years and I'm honestly shocked about the way people still think in this country... Generally speaking I think Turkey doesn't need to talk about basic human rights though, look at yourself before you pick on others... I hope the Swiss will one day realise what they got here but I think they unfortunately won't...
 

Guest - Necktor
2009-12-02 12:49:59
  I am a Swiss citizen of Turkish origin, born in Switzerland. Technically, I am a Muslim, though not religious. I had a practical view on the referendum on the banning of future building of minarets. I believed, and still believe, that a minaret doesn’t fit the Swiss landscape. Since the beginning, I wanted to vote for the banning. My belief was reinforced when I saw on television a Grey Wolves symbol (a racist, extreme far right movement in Turkey) at the entry of a mosque in a small village in the German-speaking portion of Switzerland. I was appalled. It convinced me further to vote for the ban. But, at the last minute, remembering all the insults and humiliations I and my family had to endure during my childhood from some racist Swiss, as well as racist Italian and Spanish immigrants for being simply foreigners from the middle east in this otherwise wonderful country, I voted against the initiative, thinking that the building of more minarets would be a pain in the neck of these same racist Swiss and racists Italians and Spanish immigrants. What I am trying to say, it is not only the Swiss that voted for the ban, but also the children of Italian and Spanish immigrants who were born in this country and are now Swiss citizen. After all, they all are Christians. The Turks, from my generation (forty and older), well integrated in this country and technically Muslim, with, for most of them, high profile jobs, also voted, I can tell, for the ban. The integrated foreigners of my generation have become like the Swiss themselves: for one thing, they have well integrated the mountain mentality, which is an essential part of being a Swiss citizen. When I heard of the results, I wasn’t surprised at all : tolerance at arms length as usual, but this time very just, because of the very bad image of Islam that the fundamentalists have been providing the world for decades. This decision is, to me, amazingly, neither racist nor intolerant. It is just and in the line of the Swiss spirit. On the other hand, the comments of Erdogan and Bahceli as what the ban goes against human rights are, again, embarrassing and laughable.
 

Guest - Alexander Huss, Austria
2009-12-02 12:44:03
  The outcome of the Swiss "law-initiative", as last Sunday's poll is correctly termed, does not ban muslims from practising their religion as many commentors insinuate. Muslims may do so in their mosques. Point is, Westerners are not afraid of Islam as a religion as such. Europeans regard Islam as a mainly political and social system - and the minarets are felt as an expression of this. Guest Andrew is right: The famous quote by Erdogan on the islamisation of Europe ("Democracy is the band wagon we jump on, the mosques are our barracks, minarets are the spearheads and you are the soldiers") was the strongest and most convincing card the initiators of the law-initiatve held.
 

Guest - Bosnian
2009-12-02 11:48:42
  I think muslim countries need more modern mosques. For example Zeynep Fadillioglu(Turkish) made a great job! . She is the first women in the history built a mosque. I'm not religious at all but I think other muslim countries should follow Turkey's path in this issue. And Here is the video, http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/07/13/turkey.mosque.women/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
 

Guest - dimitri
2009-12-02 11:46:53
  I see balanced comments from people of all faiths on this topic, and if there is truth in the statements regarding banning of church building in Turkey then the Turkish government hasn't got a leg to stand on, they have perfected the art of hypocrisy....it's laughable
 

Guest - Kafir
2009-12-02 10:57:27
  I agree with the comment regarding the humor and the hypocricy of the criticism coming from the AKP leadership. If I'm not mistaken, since the founding of the Turkish Republic, one, I repeat, one new church has been constructed in this country...however frequently harrassed by lawsuits. Mr Erdogan and Mr. Gul have once again proved that they are not to be taken seriously as leaders. Their comments actually sound slightly "ideological".
 

Guest - Tina
2009-12-02 10:24:34
  He said: “It is incomprehensible that while we are restoring such temples," Why do they have to be restored? Because the only churches in Turkey are 100's of years old? Because the few churches that do exist are also in regular houses and not in real church buildings? How come I have not seen a steeple here in a church where christianity is still practiced? Do we really have to wonder that people are Islamophobic when the prime minister officially does not stand by his owns countries rules - such as no covering womens head in public? I would say tolerance starts in your own backyard. And considering turkey is the most tolerant and westernized of the muslim countries and still people cover their faces when they do sneak in one of the rare churches (out of fear that their neighbor may see them) it is not a good a example for tolerance. Besides this is all made into a anti-muslim thing (again), while actually it was an architectural thing. And some minaretts overtowering a swiss mountain village does not really fit into my idea of Switzerland either... To summon it all, most Swiss are strongly catholic and it is their right to stay this way, just like it is the turks right not to have churches with steeples. Maybe for once, Turkey should do the first step and instead of complaining about "the west" show some tolerance towards other religions.
 

Guest - Brian
2009-12-02 10:11:29
  Just one more thing to Johannes. You can read my other comment and maybe you agree with it, but you make some false statements. Churches and church towers are NOT banned in Turkey. Just visit Istanbul one day and you will see many Catholic and Orthodox churches, many of them are famous world wide. It is true that Turkey has a long way to go in terms of freedom, but lets not go too far with false comments. I will say to you being honest that I do not know what would happen if I wanted to build a new church in Turkey tomorrow, but I have a feeling that the government would try to show the Swiss the way forward by allowing it! But.....it is possible, knowing the childish mentality of politicians generally they will say, "No, you did not let us play so now we will not let you!" Unfortunately Turkish politics is more akin to immature boys fighting in the school playground, but maybe all politicians worldwide are the same. We need more women in power as they are more mature and sensible than us "boys".
 

Guest - Indian_Hindu
2009-12-02 10:01:35
  My simple question to the Swiss: Would you also ban Church steeples then? What a ridiculous addition to Islamophobia is Europe projecting? And that too - Switzerland - a nation famously noted for its 'neutrality'. They should at least take inspiration from Turkey. I firmly believe that Turkey will play the decisive role in History for bringing down the tone of these religious racists.
 

Guest - Brian
2009-12-02 10:01:19
  You are correct FC, it is a shameful decision. As a Christian I can honestly say that in my opinion there is nothing more beautiful than a well constructed minaret rising into the sky and is a symbol of friendship between religions. Switzerland has lost out on being a beacon of tolerance in Europe. Having said that...for Turkey to make a statement that Switzerland is violating freedom is like the pot calling the kettle black. They need to look at themselves before being able to comment on violation of freedom. What about the banned websites?, the lack of recognition for millions of Alevis?, the wholesale wiretapping of the judiciary?, the attempt to silence the free press? the welcoming with open arms of a genocide suspect? etc, etc.
 

Guest - Reflector
2009-12-02 09:13:44
  I think the vote, which was asked by the Swiss government, was an act of provocation in vain against the innocent muslims in entire Europe. Why muslim countries accept the churches to have the christian cross on top of their domes? Why muslims didn't run a vote and ask the public opinion to ban or not the cross symbol on the dome in muslim countries? Trust or not, there are more christian missionaries in muslim countries than those of the muslims in Europe and elsewhere in the world. So who is spreading more religion than another? Let below the readers, in particular Guest Andrew, to read this comment and gain little understanding on what is really happening on the ground.
 

Guest - jlmv
2009-12-02 08:23:19
  I can't believe the audacity and hypocrisy that Erdoğan and Abdullah Gül have displayed about this issue. It wasn't very long ago that Turkey made a request of Germany for more mosques for its Turkish population. In typical political fashion Germany requested that Turkey allow for more churches to be built around the country. Erdoğan has been quoted as saying that there is no room for Christians or churches in Turkey. Who has the phobia?
 

Guest - adam orman
2009-12-02 06:48:13
  According to the article: "Turkey says Swiss ban violates freedoms" It is really ridiculous for Turkey, who does not allow non Moslems build any Christian Church, Jewish Synagog or any other non-Moslem house of worship and there is no real freedom of religion in the country beside there is a mention of it in the constitution just to fool the World, to claim "Swiss ban violates freedoms"
 

Guest - steve
2009-12-02 06:14:57
  Whilst not defending the Swiss decision, maybe Turkey needs to look at its own situation where the simple act of legally opening a Christian church still remains next to impossible ..... unless of course it is an historic tourist attraction. Whatever the government may officially claim, there is not freedom of religion in Turkey, especially for native turks. At least muslims (of all mationalities) in Switzerland are free to meet for worshop.
 

Guest - Aras
2009-12-02 04:43:32
  This is another step closer to the rise of fascists and Natzis in Europe again. The only difference this time around is that instead of Jews are Muslim who are targeted and the world will remain silent just like when Hitler persecuted Jews until it spread on to them. The history keeps repeating it self anf human never seem to learn from past mistakes. Perhaps, Muslim countries should ban those annoying church bells from been built in Muslim countries. Shame on the Swiss to allow for such a violation and attack against Muslims.
 

Guest - Haikas Bedrossian
2009-12-02 02:26:30
  Swiss ban on minarets, saying it was violating basic human rights and freedoms. Yes it is shame and it is violation for any Christian country to ban on minarets. But it is not shame and it is not against human rights if Turkey and Azerbeyjan distroy Christian churches and Cemetries.
 

Guest - Steven Brosk
2009-12-02 02:03:14
  And how many christin churches are clearly visible in Turkey? Basic Human rights are a JOKE in Turkey.
 

Guest - Burhan
2009-12-02 00:51:45
  Those comments by Erdogan and Gul are partly hypocritical. While I do not defend the Swiss decision, I would like to see the Turkish government authorize construction of new Churches in Turkey (which is made impossible at the moment - while in Switzerland, despite the minaret ban, it is still very possible to build mosques) Obviously the critics coming from places like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are even more hypocritical...
 

Guest - Johannes
2009-12-02 00:25:06
  So, at the moment there are 4 minaretts at mosques in Switzerland, and not one more in the future. Erdogan complains that this is not acceptable. Right. Now let's build 4 nice churches in Turkey and then let's discuss about new minaretts in Switzerland. What? Churches and church towers are forbidden in Turkey? In other muslim countries (Iran, Saudia arabia etc) one would be killed for being a Christian? So much for islam tolerance. Thanks.
 

Guest - truthteller
2009-12-01 23:41:01
  Gul, Talks about other countries violating human rights?? Ye gods man just look at your own country before you critcise others.. JUST HOW MANY POLITICAL PRISONERS ARE THERE IN TURKEY. and how many have dissapeared without trace?? Do you understand the meaning of hyppocrisy??
 

Guest - FC
2009-12-01 23:18:39
  This vote is shamefully for our country and it is embarrassing me to call me Swiss citizen.
 

Guest - Teacher
2009-12-01 22:18:05
  Just some thoughts here... 1. I don't understand really what the relationship is of a mosque minaret with racism, either. When the Swiss vote against minarets, they also hurt the Swiss Muslims - not only the foreign ones. 2. As Zonkey pointed out, it's even funnier to hear these comments coming out of the mouth of a convicted bigot. Erdogan's comment that he is PM of "a country, of a civilization that proved mosques and synagogues can co-exist on the same street for centuries" is of course true, but the synagogues and churches he is talking about have been there since before the fall of the Ottoman empire. I challenge you to try and build a new one nowadays, or to re-open a closed church, and see how long it takes before you're invited for a talk with the police. 3. The Swiss have had several mosques for the few hundred thousand Muslims that live in the country already. Why was there never a need for more mosques in the 30 or 40 years before, and can't they live without the extra mosques now? Also...nobody says anything about mosques, in fact. What the people voted against is minarets - not mosques. Go ahead and build mosques without minarets, then (and please don't tell me that they don't exist - you can go and have a look at a very nice one in Assos/Behramkale - it's probably one of the earliest mosques in Turkey). 4. If Muslims want to go to Switzerland (or anywhere else, for that matter), it's probably because they think that life there is better than what they had in their country of origin, no matter where they come from. Going to a different country means adapting to the local customs. This is what we call integration, and it's something that many immigrants in Western Europe have failed to accomplish in all these decades. To put it bluntly: if you don't like it in Switzerland because you can't have a mosque, you can always go back to your own country, or emigrate to a Muslim state like Iran or Saudi Arabia. There are plenty of countries where the Sharia is implemented. Problem is of course that many people consider this Sharia to be in violation with the Geneva convention, but that's something we'll probably never hear Mr Erdogan talking about. 5. If Mr Erdogan is comparing the right to build a few minarets here or there with what happened to Jews, then he's stretching the concept of "crime against humanity" a bit. I do see that all around me minarets are popping up like mushrooms (and I don't live in Istanbul or Ankara), but nobody asks me what I, a secular thinker in a secular country, think about being woken up well before dawn, every day, and being drummed awake from 3am till 4am every single day during the entire Ramadan. Would it be okay then if I and a couple of friends started doing the same during Lent, for instance? Surely this must be one of my "rights coming from birth", right?
 

Guest - ismail
2009-12-01 22:07:56
  Erdoğan & Gül seem not to miss a chance to demonstrate their true allegiance...to their islamist agenda and not to the Turkish republic. They are protesting against the ban, while they have never protested against the acts of the islamists fundamentalists. It is clear that Europe is losing its patience with the stupidity of these so called Muslim immigrants. They immigrate to liberal democratic countries supposedly to make a better life for themselves and their children, but then instead of integrating into European life, they turn around and want to change the society to which they immigrated to become like the society they "escaped" from! and then they are "shocked" why people dislike them and all what they represent. if they hate Europe so much then they should go back to where they came from, and leave Europe in peace!
 

Guest - Tom
2009-12-01 21:30:30
  "A modern form of Islam" - I am not so sure. I think it is the dangerous mix of Turkish nationalism and Islam that makes many Swiss nervous. Turks have on purpose broken Swiss laws on racism (Armenian massacres) and when one of the four minarets was put up, the flag of the Grey Wolfes was raised. It is exactly this militant, narrow-minded nationalism plus Islam that makes many Swiss people wondering whether Turks really want to become part of Switzerland. They are not worried by liberal Muslims (many of whom by the way voted for the ban of minarets!) but by an aggressive nationalistic form of Islam and have reacted accordingly. And by the way, exit polls demonstrate that many well-educated, intellectual women from the middle class who usually vote with social-democratic parties supported the initiative because they are simply fed up with the not so modern version Islam provides for women.
 

Guest - Memet
2009-12-01 21:14:54
  I think one would do a good job to remind turkey how the missioners of christianty were treated in trabzon and malatya.We must sincerely confess to inciting some muslim and nationalist fans commit murders. The latest swiss move on muslim fundamentalists is absolutely a democratic meaure considering muslims apparent collaboration with organised circles.
 

Guest - Zonkey
2009-12-01 21:14:36
  Two great pieces - first Orhan writes with balance and care and then ......... Issa, ah yes, the cold dead hand of the Silent or Velvet Revolution. This piece, sir, is also an excellent read and provides total clarity as to why the Swiss expressed their feelings through referendum in this way. I think we can expect more .........
 

Guest - Aghia Sophia
2009-12-01 20:50:30
  Mr. Erdogan, Since your so concerned about freedom of religion and espescially the minarets I suppose you wont have a problem if tommorrow I show up at the Aghia Sophia to pray as an orthodox christian in a basilica that is now turned into a museum. I find you muslim laughable at best when countries such as Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia have the nerve to critisize the Swiss. I find it quite sickening actually. Where are the churches in those areas ? Practice what you preach...you dont like europe ? Get the hell out then...
 

Guest - Michael
2009-12-01 20:49:09
  The hypocracy that exhales from Mr Erdogan's mouth is absolutely incredible. This is the man who complained to the West for interfering in his Goverment's plan to allow woman to allow the headscarf to be worn in Universities. His stance on supporting the barbaric regimes of Sudan and Iran and seemingly welcoming them, show to the West his intentions. His "against human rights" would be taken seriously by someone a little more in tune with human rights then Mr Erdogan himself.
 

Guest - Vagge
2009-12-01 20:47:12
  Half a million Muslims are living in Switzerland, they probably escaped from regimes and dictators in their home countries and have been welcommed by Switzerland. It is also reasonable that most of the refugees did not have sufficient means to live on, so the "racist Swiss taxpayer" probably took the bill for that. If I were a swiss, which I am not, I would ask, is it possible for Switzerland to allow refugees and thereby acting like a true human, saving peoples life without risking that their country will look like middle east? Or do refugees have the right to come and live in Switzerland and change the country and if they do not get everything they want (they have already 400 mosques) they shout racism to their hosts. Is that nice? I dont think so. I were at see on sinking ship and were rescued at see by another boat, the first thing I would do would not be to complain about the way the captain of the saving ship is running his boat and start making demands.
 

Guest - Mandal
2009-12-01 20:27:57
  Regardless of the actual merits or otherwise of the ban on minarets, it should be remembered that this is what the Swiss people have voted. We ought to respect that they carry out the wishes of the majority, in contrast to democratic systems whose decisions are left to an elected few. Why do politicians think they are more competent than the common people to decide what is best ? In this case, best or worst plays no role, but it's rather WHAT PEOPLE WANT !
 

Guest - donha
2009-12-01 20:18:08
  RTE and his mates would do well to tone down their remarks. They are probably the last people on earth who should be talking about 'lack of freedoms' and 'injustices' in a country like Switzerland. Anyhow RTE has no real clue what democracy is actually all about, that is very evident in his regular rantings. What’s he worrying about anyway? His party was voted in with a 47 percent share of the vote and he declared, many times since, that the nation had spoken. Well that’s alright then, because 57 percent of the Swiss nation has now spoken. So he should feel good with that. Don’t worry though, undoubtedly the Swiss will be coerced into holding a second referendum just like the Danes, the Dutch, the French, the Irish, were. And if that one comes out negative? Then they’ll just hold another one, ad infinitum.
 

Guest - hornblower
2009-12-01 19:55:57
  Of course Muslim nations that outlaw the open sharing of Christianity in their countries should not be commenting on the Swiss decision. I'm glad Turkey is more open to the exchanging of religious ideas then it's other Muslim brethren. That aside the Swiss ruling undermines free speech and religious tolerance. What's next, outlawing church steeples? It speaks bad of the Swiss and their nation.
 

Guest - Issa Kirarira
2009-12-01 19:38:33
  This is very bad and it needs to be invalidated. I urge the Muslims to be patient and demonstrate the highest level of Tolerance in managing such incidents since it is also encouraged by the Quran,teachings of Muhamad(SAW) and supported by Gulen Fethullah, a Muslim scholar. Whatever- a minaret or not, Islam will remain and by advocating for scarping off minarets while putting up mosques, your encouraging fundamentalism that will led to turn the anger to the innocent ones mostly when it comes to Muslims who don’t use their common sense in solving problems. You don’t have any reason to stop people to have a choice of how their mosques look like. To my friends in Turkey, demonstration is not desired, let us get a leaf from Gule Fethullah and promote dialogue, we will get where we want. Like Prime minister of Turkey has questioned on the relationship of a mosque minaret with fundamentalism while responding to Swiss justice minister who said the ban targeted not Muslims but fundamentalism. To be honest, this will add to radicalism .We have another Baden to tell our brothers to follow the teachings of Muhammad (SAW) on restraining from acts that hurt others feelings. To my Muslims in Switzerland you have got your friends in your country and true, the percentage that was not in support of burning minarets, was big enough and that demonstrates the friends am talking about and many of them are non Muslims. Don’t embrace them by getting into violet acts. God knows best. I hope the European member states will agree with Erdoğan who expressed the hope that European Union member states, and such institutions as the European Court of Human Rights, would display compassion and would not allow the world to be dragged into tension. the Leader OF MHP Mr Devlet Bahçeli condemnation of the ban by calling it a black stain on Europe's human rights and freedom of religion and conscious record and concluding that the referendum result showed Western values were confined to Christianity and discriminated against other religions should be taken in good faith. Let me hope that the citizens of Switziland will go back to see what is good for all. Again to my fellow Muslims, let us not do anything that will destroy anybody’s life. Even if we dialogue for another 200 years, we will get there for God has never been an enemy of the slighted
 

Guest - Orhan Ertugruloglu
2009-12-01 19:04:01
  Once more it is proven that if it goes over the Islam and Moslims or Jews a majority of native population of West European countries will act in hypocricy and will not express their real feelings during the opinion polls. Because according to the Swiss media it was expected that the referendum of banning the minarettes would result for a defeat for the right wingers who proposed an ammendment to the constitution. But just the opposite has happened. 57.5% of the voters voted for the ban which was jointly proposed by the populist right wing Swiss Peoples Party and a smaller Conservative Party. The approval by more than half of the country’s 26 Cantons means it will become a constitutional Ammendment But there are some very strong obstacles for the realization of this objective. As a member of the Council of Europe, Switzerland is bound by the European Convention on Human Rights which guarantees the freedom of religion. Naturally now some people will seek to find some loopholes in this agreement to overcome this obligation. The outcome of the Swiss referendum is a victory of prejudice.As rightfully pointed out by Nicole Pope today in one of the dailies there are only four mosques with minarets in the country. The rest of the 160 praying centers scattered across the 26 Cantons have no minarettes at all. The new building plans of minarets are few and far between and all will not be realizedFurthermore Ms Pope says that most of the Moslims who live in Switzerland come from Turkey and Bosnia and practice a modern form of Islam. So one can’t speak over a danger of Islamic takeover in Switzerland. But one should’nt take the outcome of Swiss referendum lightly. We can’t think that same will not happen elsewhere in Europe in the near future. If a similar referendum would take place today majority of people might vote in line with Swiss voters ın some Western European countries. This is also understandable. ‘cos a great majority of people in Europe has difficulty to get on with Islam which is at loggerheads with the secular, liberal way of life in their countries. And the minaret is a symbol of what is wrong in the Islam. In the Swiss case the Referendum Campaign was waged on the issues of Sharia law, Islamic terror, arranged or forced marriages, honour murders, women circumcission and over the hostage taking of Swiss nationals in Lybia. On the other hand prior to the referendum we can say that the Swiss government didn’t do enough to convince her citizens that a minaret ban is incompatible with a truly democratic State respecting the freedom of religion and human rights..
 

Guest - hpg
2009-12-01 18:58:03
  These comments are basically understandable, but as I feared they are also exaggerations which in first line demonstrate a lack of sovereignty. After all, there is now a ban of a certain piece of architecture in Switzerland. The world is not tumbling down. Rather, you might invite the Swiss (and anybody else) to watch how it looks when minarets adore snowy highlands... in Turkey, naturally. hpg
 

Guest - Zonkey
2009-12-01 18:48:35
  When Turkish politicians comment on lack of freedoms etc in other countries they really ought to issue safety straps so that people listening or reading can tie themselves to a chair to stop them hurting themselves when they fall about laughing. Muslims reading all of this need to understand that most people in Europe are happy for religious people to worship how they see fit as long as their religion remains a basically private matter and I've read that Switzerland has thousands of mosques. This is predicated on an attitude based on secularism however. Most countries in Europe have been fighting the tyranny of the political manifestation of religion for a long time and whilst that battle has never fully been won, religious influence has been curtailed in public life. Recently the march of political Islam has really angered many people because mainstream politicians have seemed unable to stand up to it through fear of being damaged by being labelled rascist, being preoccupied by the need to attract votes from minorities and a misunderstanding of where limits to multiculturalism lie. Unfortunately, this has given rise in popularity to some rather unpleasant people like Wilders and Griffin who show a deeply intolerant side of Europe. My take on the Swiss referendum is that people are scared of and sick to death of the bullying from (probably a minority of) Islamists. Don't confuse the result of the Swiss referendum with what the likes of Erdoğan would have you believe in that this is a crime against humanity. It is unfortunate I think that here in Turkey we have elected an imam to Prime Minister who has already served a jail sentence for inciting religious hatred himself.
 

Guest - Andrew
2009-12-01 17:51:42
  O yes, the president and prime minister of Turkey - a country that has signed the Cairo Declaration which puts Sharia first and Human Rights second - are exactly the right people to lecture the Swiss. Thank you very much indeed... By the way: The famous quote by Erdogan on minarets was used a thousand times in the run-up to the vote - he has made his views of tolerance quite clear himself, hasn't he?
 

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