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Turkey becomes hot topic in Greek elections

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Chris LOUTRADIS
The leader of the main Greek opposition, PASOK, Papandreou. AP photo

The leader of the main Greek opposition, PASOK, Papandreou. AP photo

Relations with Turkey have become a hot topic amid Greek election campaigning with both the governing and opposition parties sharpening their anti-Turkish rhetoric as election day draws near.

While supporting Turkey’s EU membership bid during his embattled premiership, New Democracy Party, or NDP, leader and Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis has shifted the focus of public opinion and found another “national threat” – Macedonia. He used the name dispute with the former Yugoslav country as a pivotal instrument in domestic and international politics, making Greek citizens more angered by Macedonia than Turkey. Furthermore, Karamanlis attended Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's son’s wedding, and many observers labeled the symbolic presence “a new page in Turkish-Greek relations.”

But this course has changed during campaigning as Karamanlis’ liberal party turned its policies toward a more right-wing direction, aiming to secure votes from undecided Greeks.

“Turkey’s bid for the European Union is directly tied to Ankara’s attitude toward Greece. If Turkey continues its policy of aggressiveness, then there will be consequences for its candidacy,” Karamanlis said in a recent speech for the Oct. 4 elections in Serres, a province near the Bulgarian border.

Panayotis Psomiadis, governor of Greek Macedonia and one of the leading figures of the NDP, also said Greece must rethink its policy regarding Turkey. Also, Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyanni, who had a pro-peace stance toward Turkey during her career, has issued a stern warning to Turkey. “The ball is now in Turkey’s court,” she said.

PASOK’s position

The main opposition party, PASOK, has taken a similar stance against Turkey with party leader Giorgos Papandreou, who is widely tipped to become the new prime minister, using the same rhetoric as his main rival Karamanlis.

Despite his efforts to thaw relations with Turkey during his time at the Foreign Ministry in the 1990s, Papandreou said his government would block Turkey's EU accession “if Ankara does not change its behavior toward Greece.”

“We are the most fanatic supporters of Turkey’s bid for the EU. But this does not mean we will accept the Turkish attitude in the Aegean Sea,” a senior official from PASOK has said.

Andreas Loverdos, a senior lawmaker who is in charge of the PASOK Foreign Affairs Bureau, accused Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis of what he called “a passive stance” toward Turkey. “The government has no plan for Turkish-Greek relations. We demand that Turkey abides to the demands of the EU and to recognize the Republic of Cyprus,” he said, referring to Greek Cyprus, which is already holding reunification talks with Turkish Cyprus. 

Loverdos’ tone, however, worries the “pacifists” in PASOK who do not want to predict further consequences if Papandreou were to appoint him as foreign minister in his future government.

The politician showing the strongest anti-Turkey approach among PASOK’s ranks is the former foreign minister, Theodoros Pagkalos. The ex-minister sparked a heated debate when he alleged that he has a “confidential book” of the Turkish military that he said includes course action in case of a possible invasion of a Greek island. But Pagkalos’ claims have fizzled since the PASOK leadership did not welcome his extreme views.

Different picture

While the ruling and opposition parties were using Turkey as leverage in the election campaigns, the ultra-right and leftists drew a far different picture for Greek-Turkish relations.

Ultra-nationalist LAOS used “Say no to Macedonia and Turkey” as one of its main electoral slogans and its well-known leader, Giorgos Karatzaferis, tried to formulate a collective emotion of hatred against everyone who does not support LAOS policies. “If I become prime minister, I will stop all this foolishness of a one-sided, friendly approach toward Turkey,” Karatzaferis said in a recent interview.

In the meantime, the leftists, who believe that Turkey and Greece have many things in common, said the two nations should not allow foreign imperialistic powers such as the United States to harm Greek-Turkish relations for their increasing profits by selling weapons to two countries.

Christos Poulakis, a journalist and member of leftist Synaspismos party, said: “The differences between Greece and Turkey are totally generated by Washington. The people of the two countries have nothing to divide them.”


 

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Guest - Evangelia (2009-10-23 16:51:57) :

Well, It is interesting to see what is written in Turkey about Greece.... not that I couldn't have imagined of. In any case, indeed, Greeks and Turks could be friends, why not? But firstly, Turks have to give back to Greeks their homes, their wealth, their land. I am sure Greeks will then forgive them. As for Cyprus, how more clear can it be? It is the island of Aphrodite, a Greek Goddess....how come Turks claim it is their heritage? For God's shake! Can anyone explain to me why there are two countries with similar names: 'Turkey' and 'Turkeminstan'? May the second is the country where the firsts are originated from? Could be . . . And all those who claim to be 'Macedonians', do you really speak Greek? Were you or your parents were born and brought up in the perfecture of 'Macedonia'? ? ? Άραγε? Asalam oualakoum


Guest - Kyprianos (2009-10-07 15:24:40) :

To Jason again: Allow me to correct my last posting. The slavic population of geogrpahical Macedonia whas christianized almost a millenium after the greek population of geographical Macedonia (not six centuries as I wrote earlier). In fact, the language that you refer as ''Macedonian'' that you claim is still spoken in Greece, is indeed a slavic language. It is still spoken indeed by a minority. These people also speak greek and they consider themselves greek. Ad for the slavic language (related to Bulgarian), it had spread since the arrival of the slavs in the 6th century after Christ. It is futile and impossible to point out if those speakers are originally slavs or originally greeks that picked up this idiom. The same goes for FYROM where for instance in Bitola (originally Monastir, I believe) a geat portion of the local population spoke greek. It has vanished through Yugoslavia's and FYROM policies. But it remains, that from an historic and linguistic point of view the Greek language precedes any Slavic language in the geographical area of Macedonia by more than a fair margin (milleniums), It is therefore inaccurate for FYROM to monopolize Macedonian identity and history since their culture and language evolved from 6th AD slav invaders and are therefore not aboriginals. Remember, the Macedonian legacy is called ''hellenistic'', not ''slavonistic''. Take any book (written outside of FYROM) on the history of the Greeks and you will find a chapter on ancient Macedonia. Take any book on the history of the slavs and there will be no such chapter. As the French Secretary of European Affairs (Pierre Lellouche) put it: FYROM's policy has archaistic propaganda based on historical claims over a foreign heritage. FYROM suffers from a collective history revisionism paranoia.


Guest - Kyprianos (2009-10-07 05:49:20) :

To Jason: When the Romans invaded the geographical area of Macedonia they found locals speaking greek. They did not find people speaking a slavic idiom. A short while later the Macedonians (Greeks not Slavs) were christianized by the apostle Paul, in their own language, Greek not Slavic. The slavs arrived some six centuries later. They did not blend with the original greek macedonians since they did not adopt christianity nor did they adopt the greek language. They were christianized six centuries after the macedonians in another language (old slavonic) and with another alphabet (glagolitic). It is therefore wrong form a historical and linguistic point of view to refer to a slavic language as the macedonian language since the greek language precedes it in macedonia be milleniums. The inhabitants of Northern Greece do indeed call themselves macedonians, they mean greek-macedonian not slavic-macedonian of the fyrom type who attempt to monopolize macedonia's history and identity although they are the most recent of all its inhabitants, far more recent than the greek-macedonians and also more recent than the albanians.


Guest - Albanian (2009-10-05 11:58:44) :

The name Macedonia for FYROM is plain stealing. Macedonia has always been Greek and this is an undeniable historical and actual Fact. If other nations are going to steal names like this, then Saudi Arabia might as well call itself Scandinavia! The governments of FYROM are playing a dangerous game, with aspirations beyond their capacity. Changing and falsifying statistics in order to make a minority (those who call themselves "Macedonians" there) appear as a majority (when the Albanian population indeed constitutes the real majority) and then trying to make claims towards traditional Greek territories, will most likely result in dividing this political entity in an Albanian and one Bulgarian part, and this is perhaps the best solution.


Guest - MIKE (2009-10-05 01:44:25) :

i suggest you to go to a bit southern also to visit Philipos tomps in Vergina Museum and then tell me what a hell is this macedonian language, because over there i can see only greek letters and i can read their greek names and other words in greek. finally this story is getting funny with a dozen slavoalbanobulgarians to call their selfs "macedonians". spartians, ionians, athenians, halkidonians and many more as macedonians talked the same language and all of them were greeks. dont "brake more our balls" with this subject. hey guys over there, if you think you are not slavs, bulgarians, albanians but macedonians then you are greeks too. take it or leave it or choose what a heck you are.


Guest - jason (2009-10-04 17:05:37) :

first of all , if you go to Florina, Edessa and many villages along the way from the north you will see that EVERYONE speaks Macedonian and even in thessaloniki there is residents who still speak macedonian. Macedonians allways were in greece after all greek macedonia, republic of macedonia and some of bulgaria were all one before 1913. so the name Macedonia has allways been there. But the fact that greece would never want to give the macedonian land back to the macedonians is why they killed macedonians in now northern greece, burnt hundreds of villages and thousands of macedonian houses. would jail anyone who spoke macedonian. Now its been good for the last 20 years and after all the slaugther of the greeks over 100 years of trying to kill the macedonian language. YOU CAN STILL GO TO NORTH GREECE AND TALK TO THE LOCALS IN MACEDONIAN. THEY NEVER LOST THE LANGUAGE. CURRENTLY ABOUT 40% of North Greeces population is Macedonian. AND THEY CALL MACEDONIA BY MACEDONIA and not fyrom


Guest - Kyprianos (2009-10-01 01:51:36) :

To Mister no name: I am completely and utterly puzzled by your postings. You should read my postings prior of answering them. I, myself, stated that nobody in Greece calls fyrom by the name Macedonia. Since we agree why on earth do you understand the exact opposite to what I write. Actually my first intervention in this thread was to point out that the Hurriyet paper made a journalistic mistake by claiming that the LAOS greek party uses the slogan ''No to Macedonia and Turkey'' for the simple reason that they could not possibly use the name Macedonia for fyrom (since nobody in Greece does) As for the fact that you do not believe that I am half greek (1/2 italian), it is quite irrelevant. I may, however add a sentence in Greek: ''8a prepei na diabazete prosektika tis epistoles moy prin apanthsete se aytes. Dioti katalabainete to anti8eto apo ayto poy grafw'' translation: you should read carefully my postings before replying to them, because you understand the opposite to what I write.


Guest - noname (2009-10-01 00:03:50) :

Yeao thats the reason that i say that you are a turk or a fyromian ..Cause there are not greeks that call fyrom macedonia ..And also they have no reason to come here and write about the macedonia Issue.As for how many countries call you fyrom macedonia you forgot to say that they do it when they speak to fyrom ..in the formal relationships nobody calls fyrom macedonia...Not even fyrom..Cause they do not have the name..And do not pretend the greek ..Cause nobody believes you..Do not fool people here pretending something you are not


Guest - Jane Dales (2009-09-30 23:42:39) :

It's interesting how Turkey - a typical police state notorious for its lack of any freedom of speech, its censorship and for persecuting and silencing journalists - could produce a leading newspaper proudly self-styled as "Freedom"(="Hürrieyt") , isn't it ? "Censorship" and "accordance with Turkish law" as written below as warning to those that would like to write what they think and not what the censors , codenamed "Daily News Staff" – wants and is allowed to publish - look so similar. I am sure in Ataturkistan the meanings of the two terms have become synonyms without becoming homonyms. "Censorship" sounds bad ... like those Greeks who don't like sweet Ataturkistani lies and aggressive provocations while 'accordance with Turkish laws' sounds even better than “Hürrieyt's” good leftist Greeks who wouldn't mind being reduced to serve as neo-rayas to their neo-Ottoman pashas and beys.


Guest - Kyprianos (2009-09-30 15:20:18) :

The postings of Mr. Plassaras and Loutradis are sensible. The same cannot be said for those of Mr, Noname. Whether I am Greek or not is quite irrelevant in the debate since I am stating facts: the list of coutnries officially using fyrom rather than Macedonia for the slavic nothern greek neighbour + the french position ont the matter. I happen to be half italian actually. But my knowledge of Italian is poorer than my knowledge of Greek. I may, however, try one sentence: ''Quando i Romani sono venuto a Macedonia, hanno trovato greci. Non hanno trovato alcune slavi. Storicamente et linguisticamente, une lingua slava non puo essere piu macedone che la lingua greca.''


Guest - noname (2009-09-30 14:00:51) :

And also there are greeks that would speak here with their real names in huriet?where did you find the names in t catalog?


Guest - noname (2009-09-30 13:33:33) :

mr kyprianos if you are greek ,i am maria antouanete..propabbly turkish or fyromian ..if there are greeks with these kind of opinions they are the 3,4% of greece..And i am generous now,,Do not fool with the people here and give them hopes that there are not..


Guest - Kyprianos (2009-09-30 06:44:03) :

I agree with Mr. Loutradis that xenophobic rhetoric in no way helps Greece's interest. We should, however, point out that the fact that the ''world wide community'' recognizes FYROM by the name Macedonia does not diminish FYROM's collective paranoia and historical revisionism. By the way, the following countries use officially the name FYROM for Greece's northern neighbour: Australia, Belgium, Cyprus, Denmark, France, Germany Greece, Italy, Latvia, Luxembourg, Portugal, Spain, Slovakia, The Netherlands, New Zealand and South Africa. France, for one, is a strong supporter of Greece's position. The French Secretary of European Affairs (Pierre Lellouche) lately qualified FYROM's policy has ''archaistic propaganda based on historical claims over a foreign heritage.''


Guest - noname (2009-09-29 21:51:23) :

hahaha antiturkish rhetoric?is this a serious newspaper or something?Are you kidding?What means antiturkish rhetoric?The fact that there are problems that Turkey tries very hard to keep ..It is antiturkish rhetoric?I love the journalists in this country...they are funny.At least,,


Guest - Christos Loutradis (2009-09-29 13:09:29) :

The rhetoric of ultra-nationalist party LAOS constits of a xeno-phobia rhetoric. A rhetoric that has as a result to isolate Greece from the international political spectrum. No political party in Greece want the ex-yugoslav nation to be called Macedonia. But the reality is that the worldwide and accepted term is ''Macedonia''. What we should understand as Greeks is that we should not be afraid of a name. We should be afraid of our capabilities to deal with the problems of the 21st century.


Guest - Chris Loutradis (2009-09-29 11:23:31) :

Dear Mr.Plassaras, Thank you for your comment. I totally agree with you. This uncompromising patriotism is a model of ''patriotism'' that in the long term inflicts severe damages in the prosperity of the nation. Is a patriotism that functions in a anti-patriotic way. I believe that the only solution is one and simple: The societies of Turkey and Greece to demand from the two Governments to work for a more a peacefull political and social enviroment. This is the only way that leads to a prosperous welfare state , to a strong social security system , to respected daily life.


Guest - kyprianos (2009-09-29 06:27:38) :

I do not know much about the nationalist LAOS party. However, I will be very surprised if they do indeed use the slogan ''Say no to Macedonia and Turkey''. Nobody and no party in Greece would use the term ''Macedonia'' in reference to the southern most ex-Yugoslav new state, since they all agree that the new state should not be named by a name that Greeks consider as part of their historical heritage. This is the core of the name dispute and I am surprised that this article would quote the LAOS slogan in such way. Southern Slavs calling themselves Macedonians is comparable to Turks calling themselves Ionians - which they do not (the Antiquity Anatolian Greeks were called Ionians).


Guest - Dinos Plassaras (2009-09-29 00:54:02) :

In my humble opinion any pronouncements during political campaigns are meant to cement a public image of uncompromising patriotism, which by the way is a necessary prerequisite for becoming any country's political leader. At present the European Union looms large and sets the tone for bi-lateral relationships that is both compelling and practical. Turkey as a candidate state must undergo certain (primarily) internal reforms to achieve compliance. Greece has also formulated its foreign policy in accordance with EU parameters. As long as there is global economic weakness there will be bouts of escapism in favor of internal consumption towards reviving old disputes(it makes great political cover). The relations of Turkey and Greece will always have an element of "chicken and egg" (which came first). For example, Turkey might see that ascension efforts do not succeed by 2013(earliest chance) and might harden its position in Cyprus, as an example. This will certainly lead to a hardening of the Greek position, which will make Turkish position even harder and so on and so forth. It is imperative that wisdom prevails and the hope is that it will.


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