Top US senator backs 'genocide' resolution

i have written a few comments over the past and you guys never post them ,, what i read no different to what i wrote , what kind of a newspaper are you ,, cause you dont obviously know what freedom of speech is,, im a turk living in australia , and you know what ,THANK GOD

It is only natural this Senator will support the so called Genocide, he is from Las Vegas and guess who owns most casinos in Vegas Mr Kirk Kirkorian, his boss, Go ahead Mr Reid sell your country to special interest and disregars US interest, work for Mr, Kirkorian and his interest, you are precious.

Turkey could save its face for the last 94 years... since genocide! Do you agree that 'Every US Senator' Co-Sponsoring Genocide Bill reminds Turks of their Centennial GUILT. Never Is Too Late! Turkey MUST FACE its brutal history ONE & FOR ALL!

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9B03E0DC1738E633A25750C1A9679D946596D6CF Turkish Armenians In Armed Revolt The New York Times Published: Novembver 13, 1914 Were Ready to Join Russian Invaders, Having Drilled and Collected Arms SEE DAY OF DELIVEREANCE Native Paper Says They are Prepared for Any Sacrifice - Refuse to Join Turkish Army. PETROGRAD, Nov. 12. - Reports reaching to Russian capital from the Turkish border attach increasing importance to the part the Armenians are playing in the Russo-Turkish war. In the several towns occupuied by the Russians the Armenian students have shown themselves ready to join the invading army, explaingin that they had prepared themsleves for the Russian approach by constant drilling and by gathering arms secretly. All along the line of march, according to these dispatches, the Armenian peasants are receiving the Russian troops with enthusiasm and giving provisions to them freely. An Armenian newspaper, referring to this crisis in the history of Armenia, publishes the following: "The long-anticipated day of deliverance for the Turkish Armenians is at hand, and the Armenians are prepared for any sacrifice made necessary by the performance of their manisfest duty." From this border country there have come to Petrograd further reports of armed conflicts arising from the refusal of Armenians to become Turkish conscripts and to surrender thier arms. It is now rumored that the important City of Van is now besieged by Armenian guerrila bands in great force. In Feitun the number of insurgents is said to exceed 20,000m and they are reported to have defeated all the Turkish troops sents against them, causing heavy losses to the Turks.

Anyone even remotely familiar with the US political system is aware that most policies are fruits of nothing but electoral investments. Politicians literally promote agendas depending on their electoral returns to them, either in the form of votes or "campaign financing" (aka purchased politics). Which person in his right mind can possibly consider a political institute ("congress") a reputable source whose declarations about an historical event from a century ago make a credible analysis? It is the job of historians to sit down, crash their primary evidence and arguments against one another, and reach an international consensus about the proper terming of the 1915 events.

@7 Hills. Thank you for clarifying my point so succinctly. I'm not so stupid to not realise that the American war of independence and civil war are nothing to do with Turkey, but neither has the Turkish/Armenian conflict anything to do with America and their busybody politicians (who seem to have nothing better to do).

@ humanbynature - you sound silly..and typical.. pointing fingers at others to take the focus off yourselves.. take responsibility for your actions.. that is the point. The Armenian groups are lobbying for these people to voice opinions.. Why do you bring up Twin Towers, and other incidents? No one is blaming Turks for those mass killings. @Brit in Turkey - you can't be serious with your comments. Turkey has nothing to do with those wars and if you are a Brit, how many killing campaigns have come from your group? If you people read the article and if you really know anything, you will understand that groups i.e. Armenians, are lobbying for this. The Americans don't really give a rats ass about the Turks history, other than a passing fancy or curiousity. @ ted - Yeah.. that is good news.. I am sure the people there would rather be somewhere else. Of course this senator will problem benefit in some way from his statements.. VOTES.. and it is the policy of politics, do whatever, say whatever, just get the votes. Politicians everywhere are usually self serving.

A historical commission is not needed to determine what happened. 96 years have passed and many historians have already looked at the events. Essentially only Turkish historians and those who have some kind of link with Turks or Turkey (or Turkish money) say a genocide did not occur. If you discount all Armenian historians for the same reason, you still get an extreme majority of objective historians who say yes, this was a genocide.

Ankara is using the Protocols "process" to help manage the tensions caused by its increasing independence from Washington in a way that both preserves its prerogatives to act against U.S. interests (on Iran, Israel, etc.) while, at the same time, preventing the U.S. from recognizing the Armenian Genocide. But Armenian lobbies wouldn’t let Ankara hold the protocols as hostage to stop recognition of Armenian Genocide.

Lets assume that the Armenian Genocide is not true,Assryians and Greeks Genocide are lies too?only Turks and Azeri deny the fact of the Armenian Genocide,why?they got the most to lose? here is few links. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide http://www.teachgenocide.org/

Skorrogan who is Turkey to critizise us Americans?

Why would Armenians be so adamant about the genocide topic if they didn't feel for it to be true? It's because the people who survived those days are the grandparents to today's generation. They are the only ones with first hand, eye witness accounts for what happened. Speak to any Turk or Armenian who is an actual survivor and every single one of them will tell you an injustice was done. They only want the truth to be known. It's not like Armenia will get back what it lost once the truth is finally accepted. Unfortunately the ancient practice of murdering minorities under a kings rule carried on through the 20th century. It's not hard to believe that the genocide really did happen...

We all know politician do anything for money, and this is no exception. History is for historians, definitely not for politician.

They all tell us that they are our freinds, americans, jews, eu. Without even considering what we have offered to do that is let the historians investigate the matter, they want to pass a resolution condeming turkey. What a joke? In a poll a few years ago some 70% of americans could not spot italy on the world map, and i bet any money senator reid would also fail. So he would have no HOPE of showing anyone where armenia is. The plot is that a country like turkey should always be under western control and they will try and do anything to stop turkey from progressing and making the middle east more peaceful. The turks should look east even more now before it is too late. All west does is try and stooge us and we should turn our backs on this evil regime of hate.

It is quite shocking to see Turkish officials discussing with pleasure with Iran's president, that is a holocaust denier, calls for annihilation of UN member country and brutally suppress, kills and rapes his countryman trying to secure its illegitimate "election". But in fact, it is not surprising; Turkey has systematically perpetuated genocide of 1,500,000 Armenian civilians, suppresses the Kurds that deserve a country of their own, brutally and illegally took half of Cyprus to colonize it and welcomes wanted war criminal like Bashir. Time to investigate the Turkish crimes and bring these cases to justice. The Armenian genocide is a good start.

@ Hills, The real proof is offered long before and already more than 20 countries recognized the fact, just need to be recognize by more civilized countries like United State and U.K., for your information more than 40 states in United State already recognized the fact of Armenian Genocide and they are pretty familiar with Ottoman empire barbarous act during and after WW1. Study of Genocide was down long before just after it was happened in Europe even United State but Turkish denial is not the reason to be forgotten by other countries. More important Turkish government needs to face with truth and make people minds ready to accept the realities or you never can joint civilized countries union. Get lesson from Germans.

It's funny, you know, how you hear from the Turkish side that there needs to be investigations and this and that into the unaccepted genocide. It is as if for 90 years, Armenian historians, Turkish historians, historians who study the Ottoman Empire, and all sorts of historians said to themselves "oh look what an interesting historical question! it is so interesting to see whether or not a genocide really happened that we won't bother studying it at all!" And we are all so lucky that the government of Turkey supports such a study because otherwise no historian would look into it. Dear ignorant people, there have been plenty of studies done on whether or not a genocide occurred. Guess what the vast majority of them had to say?

History should not be debated by politicians but should be investigated by scholars and historians. Partiality is not in the interest of governments, however, greed, power, and population control are. The Genocide Bill as well as other "accusations" have ultimately become, not about a terrible acts that should be recognized and morally condemned, but a political whipping stick hanging over the head of successive Turkish governments. Kurdish massacres, Armenian/ Assyrian/ Greek Genocides, Cypriot occupation, Alevi and other minority persecution, severe limitations on freedom of speech (Dogan), etc.- it's a heavy stick.

To the “Genocide” claimants; let me draw a picture to you in order to remind the Turkey's history a little bit. In the year 1922, Turkey had been in the wars and strugles since 1908 (1908 re-openning of the parliament, 1909 the 31 March Riots, 1911 Italy War in Libia and Meditarrenea, 1912-1913 Balkan Wars, 1914-1918 World War I, 1916 the Arab Riots, 1919-1922 the Independence War). In addition, in the course of the 19th century, Ottoman Empire had been warring, and lost half of its territories (Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Albania, Greece, Crete, Eqypt, Sudan). Because of being too weak, the empire had almost collapsed in terms of military and economical resources. The Turks fought in three continents during 100 years (1826-1922). Immigrants from three continents and wars with the neighbouring nations backed by powerful countries (Russia, Great Britain, France, Italy) had sacked everything from the Turkish nation. At the and of the WWI, the struggle carried at Anatolia, and Sevres Treaty put Turkish Nation to death. Almost every nation except Turks enjoyed this treaty, but the treaty has never been accepted thanks to the Independence War. During the WWI, Ottoman Empire was so weak to wage a war, but it was inevitable, because “great powers” wanted to exploit what the Ottomans have, “OIL” and “fertile soils”. The ottomans fought at six frontiers during the WWI, and they had no intention to wage a war inside the borders. However, our “friends”, “neigbours” with which we had lived together hundreds of years chose to combine their forces to our enemies very wilingly. There was no necessity or intention by the Ottomans to wage a war or genocide inside the borders, because the ottoman armies were in the frontiers, and Turkish families had lost the vast majority of youngsters due to the wars. The farms were left, the agricultural and industrial infrastructure had collapsed. The whole population including Armenians in the countryside suffered from famine. It was the time that the nations should have acted together and helped each other in terms of humanity to get rid of those negative effects of the wars. Since 1821, the Ottomans did not wage any war, but thay had to fight for the intentions of the Russia, Great Britain, France, Italy, Prussia, Astro-Hungary Empire. Please read your history books, not our, and you will see the reasons of the wars that the Ottomans fought. Under these circumstances, our “friends” started riots by having enormous support from our enemies at the beginning of the WWI. In the Dardanelles (Çanakkale) perse more than 400.000 Turkish soldiers were fighting at the time of the riots, and Great Britain itself deployed 2.000.000 soldiers in the middle east (There were no German soldiers except military consultants helping the Ottomans), no need to mention Russian, French, Italian, Indian, Sudanese, Aystralian, New Zealand armies fighting against the Turks (after the war fresh Greek armies). That time was the time to be together, but instead, “Friends” inside the borders started to fight, and each nation became enemies, which was the secret intention of “super powers” to beat the Ottomans. At the and, people were killed, forced to exile, and a dramatic end brought unforgetable memories for all the nations having fought during that period. The ottomans, in fact, had no power to eradicate or making genocide as they had not enough power to fight even for the outside enemies. Something terrible happened for both sides during that time, and now everyone in the World is blaming Turks for what happened inside the borders. Is it fair my friends? Does not fighting and gaining independence against super powers of the World under terribly poor conditions need a bit of respect? Do not we have any right to live in this World?. We have!, we have! actually we have, because we fought for our freedom and souls with everything we have. It was the time for us to die or live, and we lived by deserving it. Now, regarding the past, we all should be sorry for what happened for the Turks and other nations, not only for Armenians. The fighting intention inside the borders was not ours, but the results brought sufferings both nations. Who benefited the most? Rethink again, because your "GENOCİDE" claims are not valid and not logical, and lets cry for the losses, heal the wounds and tribute the painful memories of both nations.

Hey Brian and 7 Hills, Read the eye witness accounts, read the reports of the International Association of Genocide Scholars, read Taner Akcam, Yair Auron, Helmut Kaiser .. the list goes on. Oh! These scholars are not "sanctified" by the Turkish government denialists. Sorry! I take it all back.

I am an American and I see no reason why my country should get involved. This is a Turkish and Armenian problem and they will solve it. I will be writing my Rep. inthe US congress and let him know.

Perhaps the UN should set up a comission of inquiry with the objective of `` studying and documenting the genocide of 1.5 million Armenians committed by the Otoman Turks at the end of WWI". It could be headed by Orhan Pamuk.

Turkey must now shut down all U.S. military bases. This is good news.

One needs to ask what benefits Harry Reid will receive for his very difficult sponsorship?

It is really sad when people are trying to resolve their issues, some people are trying to create trouble and do not want them to live like friends. Armenia and Turkey are neighbouring countries and are like brothers to each other. They want to live with peace and prosperity. They love each other and want to help each other and want to be strong economically and spritually. They have taken such a bold step that they tried to normalise their relationship and dont want to discuss anything which creates trouble between the two countries but some people who do not want them to live like brothers creating trouble. Harry Reid statement is very irresponsible. He should try to be part of peace not trouble.

Politician should stick to politics, and history should be left to historians

If you guys don't want to admitt Genocide happend then check findings of Turkish scholars and historians like Orhan Pamuk and Taner Akcam who have done more studies and investigation than you guys have even dreamed of. What make you think that you are so qualify to talk about something that you don't even know anything about it and deny the findings of great Turkish historian and scholars like them. Go back to drawing board.

I wonder how many Americans actually know where Turkey is, let alone Armenia. You'd think they have enough troubles to worry about (domestic, terrorist, Iraq, etc.) than to take the trouble (probably uninformed, as other posters mention) to concern themselves over something that may have happened so long ago. Perhaps Turkey should start a campaign against the deaths in the American war of independence or their civil war!

Genocide in Iraq by Nato and UN!! Genocide in Afghanistan by Nato and UN!! Aggression in Pakistan on the part of US! How many more examples are there? Shouldn't these be 'recognised' first...rather than poking your fingers in something that supposedly happened almost 100 years ago?? We can we SAVE the people who are going to be affected tomorrow, we cannot do anything about those who have been dead for many generations? Time is ticking look to the future not the past... My dear Armenians, you think the Americans will give you anything in return for casting a black shadow on your neighbour? Look again, America is struggling...they cannot help themselves! Turkey is a rising power, work with Turkey...afterall they ARE your cousins. :) Wake up people...am I the only one who sees the devil in this Senators concern? Onwards and upwards to the caliphate, can you imagine? The borders...on the east we have Pakistan a nuclear power bordering 2 biggest rising giants, India and China...further east still, you have Malaysia and Indonesia island paradises...to the west, North Africa...sandy beaches and plenty of natural resources...Europe we have Turkey. In every country there is a substantial minortiy muslims...can we not put our heads together? :( Muslims all over the worls, take hold of your destiny and re-unite!! PS. How many innocents died at the Twin Towers? How many innocents have been killed in this war on terror that has almost been going on for longer than the 2 world wars put together? Do the maths, something is not right here humanity!

The sad thing about this is that a few politicians are being persuaded by groups to get involved and say this genocide is true before real proof is offered. Americans in general may not even be familiar with this, but they should encourage their representatives to not get involved until necessary. If an unbiased study and research can be conducted, then all people and their governments can give their opinions at that time based on the final conclusion. Another point, maybe the Turkish groups in America should do the same things as the Armenian groups and push for this study.

How can he support a motion when there has been no investigation into the historical facts. The offer by Turkey of an independent investigation has been constantly refused by Armenia. Why, Because they are worried the findings will not be support their theory.

On one radio talk I heard a joke. On the ship are Mr Obama, Mr Reid and Mrs Pelosi. Ship sinks. Question, who will be saved? Answer: America