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Not so innocent amnesia

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Professor Murat Belge at the symposium in Istanbul.

Professor Murat Belge at the symposium in Istanbul.

Murat Belge, opened the first session of the international symposium “Contemporary Perceptions of Byzantium,” organized by Istanbul Studies Center at Kadir Has University and co-sponsored by Koc University, on Saturday with a talk about historical amnesia in Turkey.

Belge, a professor at Istanbul's Bilgi University, explains that for a city, which used to be the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire, Istanbul shows little of its Byzantine treasures. Unless one walks to Hagia Sophia it is hard to find what is left of Byzantium from before the Ottomans. These are sad remarks and facts on the ground are even less glorious and more shameful.

Many of the Byzantine archeological remains suffered a similar fate: discovered accidentally during city construction works, plundered overnight and included in the fundaments of the new construction. Such was the case with the catacombs discovered in Aksaray, potentially one of the greatest treasures, but “what do you do with it? You pour concrete on it,” remarked Belke. He questioned the fate of the ruins of the Byzantine palace just thirty steps away from the Four Seasons Hotel in Sultanahmet and the church near Incili Köşk on the way to Cankurtaran.

Although “Byzantine remains are no mystery […] but we are not curious about them, we let the dust accumulate above it so that we can forget it,” said Belge. Instead of conserving, researching and displaying the ruins, they disappear under roads and hotels. There are some good examples of protecting Byzantine heritage, such as by the new mayor of Istanbul’s Fatih district, but these are rather exceptions resulting from individual initiatives rather than as the result of compact policy.  

Ancient walls often become walls of gecekondu houses, which “lean innocently” against ancient remains, as in the end “there is one wall less to build.” Belge said that these people don’t attack history, they are “less offensive,” as they just “seek shelter from history,” simply trying to live “while the others enter with bulldozers and ruin it all.”

Belge explains, “The sad thing is that this is not ‘an innocent amnesia’ of contemporary Turkey.  There is an official policy of forgetting which is tied to the paranoia that some of us have, that we live in a country that can be claimed away.”

From this perspective, he said, “we should see that the city belonged to some other people in the past and take care of it and cherish it, then we would be more the owner of that place.”


 

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Guest - richard murphy (2009-11-23 14:22:00) :

To Gregoire: What ever you say does not change the fact what I have said already. Ottoman empire was not a Turkish empire; did not pursue Turkish aspirations, culture, nationality, language, and kept Turks under its yoke totally powerless so they would not be able to uprise and topple it. Ottoman empire was and still is the only empire/state in human history which denied the culture, nation, race, language it came from and oppressed it.


Guest - Gregoire (2009-11-23 10:36:55) :

Mr Murphy, your arguments are simplistic. Nobody says these things. Life is always more complicated than the simple statements you produce. Of course modern Turks, Ottomans, Seljuk Turks etc. carry their own, in the same way that the Romans brought their own cultural characteristics to the areas they went to. Nobody denies that. But exactly as it happened to the Romans, it also happened to the Ottomans, that as the areas they conquered were very civilized indeed (in fact in both cases, they happened to be of the most civilized parts of the planet at that time), it is natural that the Ottomans did not only bring their own culture, but also acquired a lot of cultural traits and traditions from the areas they conquered. In every modern book on sociology you will see that when we come to the world we start assimilating things from the world around us, we compete with our neighbour in the same avenues that they compete. To make it simple: if your neighbours all have BMWs and you have a magic carpet, and you happen to be the most rich or most educated in your borough etc. they will most likely ditch their posh BMWs and try to buy a magic carpet, but you are also most likely to acquire a magic carpet that is made by BMW. Look at what you are wearing today, are they the design of ancient mongolian tribes? No is the correct answer. Your vehicle today is an invention of the Seljuks. No is the correct answer. How many books have you read recently by the great Ottoman poets? How much Seljuk music do you listen to? Whatever happens to you now, happened back then to the Ottoman Turks. I am not saying they did not make their own contribution to world culture, nor that they did not continue some of the traditions they brought with them from the far east. I am saying that they became the carriers of a lot of local traits of the great empire the conquered, like the Romans did before them. And they spread these cultural traits all over the world.


Guest - Richard Murphy (2009-11-23 04:42:11) :

It is also very obvious, contrary to what neo-Ottomans want the World believe, that Ottoman empire and its rulers had nothing to do with Turkish culture, language, aspirations, national identity, etc. All the Ottomans wanted to be an extension of past Greek-Roman empire. Ottomans did not even employ anybody of Turkish background in theri ranks; they did not even produce their off-springs form women of Turkish origins. Their harems were pack-full with non-Turkish women slaves captured in wars or givin to them as gifts by other tyrants or purchased in slave markets. They abducted hand-picked boys from Christian families of Anatolia and Eastern Europe, raised them as Janissaries for their bloody work of conquest. A person to be a Turk in Ottoman system of oppression was a total shame because they were kept as the most ignorant, poorest and totally powerless by the Ottomans. But Europeans do not neglect to accuse Turks for Ottoman crimes.


Guest - Hovsep Melkonian (2009-11-22 18:35:19) :

Prof. Murat Belge's talk on the historical amnesia concerning Byzantium and her past highlights the ignorance and the indifference of the public both in Turkey and overseas regarding the historical role and influence that Byzantium had on our modern world. It is a pity that the results of Byzantine studies have remained mostly circumscribed to select specialists and that what we state to know is often limited to what we have learned casually in high schools.


Guest - Hovsep Melkonian (2009-11-22 18:32:13) :

Prof. Murat Belge's talk on the historical amnesia regarding Byzantium and her past highlights the ignorance and the indifference of the public both in Turkey and overseas with regard to the historical role and influence that Byzantium had on our modern world. It is a pity that the results of Byzantine studies have remained mostly circumscribed to select specialists and that what we state to know is often limited to what we have learned casually in high schools.


Guest - Gregoire (2009-11-22 18:17:44) :

Richard Murphy you are a sad personality and of course you have so successfully rewritten the history of humankind that hoards of people will follow you as the illuminated one, the one and only. All I can say is I cherish every aspect of human culture, and especially the monuments, the great works of art, the architecture, the religion and the beliefs. I am fascinated by your hypocritical short sightedness and your hateful comments, but I am not going to say anything more, save one sentence: Istanbul has been built to be a capital, from the 4th c. and until the 20th it was a capital of a mighty empire, the Roman or the Ottoman. The Ottomans not only saw themselves as the continuation of the Roman empire (which for most of the time was primarily Greek in character), but also married into the royal families, continuing in their own way the arts and crafts of the empire they slowly conquered from Calligraphy and architecture, to music and glass work. One can actually argue that the Ottomans spread the culture of the Roman empire (which by then was largely Greek) as much as the Romans spread Greek culture before them. What I mean to say is, despite how you see the Romans, the Greeks and the Ottomans, despite what you think of Costantinople which was recently renamed into Istanbul, the city was and is a great city and it should be proud of its history, not only because one should admire monuments done by other civilisations, but also because these civilisations have greatly contributed to what the modern city is. You like it or not, a modern Turk of Istanbul's cultural forefathers are to be found not only in the steppes of Mongolia, but also in the streets of the Roman empire... good luck with your racism against the Greeks and the Romans...they are probably responsible for who you are today...the only thing I hope and wish for your pathetic comments is that you pick the best of your forefathers and not the worst...


Guest - Christoph (2009-11-22 17:09:27) :

Mr. Richard Murphy seems to be unaware that the Byzantine Empire lasted almost a 1000 years-would hardly have been possible if all they offered was 'violence and wars'. In reality the Byzantine Empire was largely responsible for being a glowing exception of knowledge and wisdom during the Dark Ages of Europe. They acted as a bridge between the Greek/Roman civilizations and the Renaissance period. The Byzantines excelled in trade and Constantinople was a central trade center between the east and the west. All the spice and silk roads went through Constantinople to Europe. Until the Crusades the Byzantines rarely warred with their Islamic neighbors, preferring instead to work by accomodation and tolerance. The western Roman Catholic Church sponsored Crusades were the main impetus for the Islam/Christian animosity which exists to this day, it wasn't in existence before then.


Guest - Richard Murphy (2009-11-22 02:28:23) :

What "Byzantine treasures"???? All I know about Byzantine is the following: http://www.sparta.markoulakispublications.org.uk/index.php?id=224 Violence in Greek and Roman Antiquity by Nikolaos Markoulakis Violence permeated all aspects of ancient Greek and Roman culture. Ancient literature, art, and historical evidence demonstrate that the Greeks and Romans understood the important role which violence played in their cultures. Myth provided numerous stories of acts of violence committed by both gods and humans. Watching violence in the form of gladiatorial competitions was a popular form of entertainment. The violence which initiated and later removed tyranny in Athens, as well as the regularity with which Roman emperors were assassinated, demonstrates that the Greeks and Romans understood that violence was a means of achieving political ends. Violence was also state sanctioned: the testimony of a slave was only admissible in a Roman trial if extracted under torture. And Greek tragedy explored violence as a manifestation of some of the darker aspects of human nature.


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