Belgian Prime Minister Herman Van Rompuy. AFP photo
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As the European Union’s 27 government leaders met Thursday for dinner and tough diplomatic battles over the bloc’s president and foreign policy supremo, it was revealed that new EU president was once a vocal critic of Turkey’s EU membership.
Belgian Prime Minister Herman Van Rompuy said in 2004 that he strongly opposed Turkey’s EU accession, reported EU Observer on its Web site, an independent Web site from Brussels. "Turkey is not a part of Europe and will never be part of Europe," Rompuy said. Rompuy’s opposition was based on Europe’s Christian “fundamental values,” he said in a meeting of the Council of Europe in the Belgian parliament in 2004.
“An expansion of the EU to include Turkey cannot be considered as just another expansion as in the past. The universal values which are in force in Europe, and which are also fundamental values of Christianity, will lose vigor with the entry of a large Islamic country such as Turkey.”
According to the EU Observer, the speech has remained relatively unknown. Belgian officials, however, confirmed that the speech was made but noted that the comments were made when Rompuy was part of the opposition.
"Things that are said in opposition are different from what you find yourself saying when in government,” one official said. "Serious politics, however, is to judge someone by what they say and do when in power.”
"If we ruled out all the politicians that had said awkward things in the past, we'd have a very short list indeed," said another official.
READER COMMENTS
Guest - dupsy (2009-11-20 19:07:31) :
turkey have been weigh and measure,by the europeans and turkish people should stop dream of been a EU member and the turkish politiciain should stop creating eu membership idea for election campaign, into their turkishpeople, turkey is a great country from the history, Sir ATATURK have build strong republic of turkey, stop the bad politicians that want to sell turkey and make money. According to holy book, No one can serve two masters; for a slave will either hate the one and love the other, or be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.* the turkish people should not sell the culture and religious.
Guest - SenBen (2009-11-20 16:22:06) :
add+ Unfortunately the admin didnt allowed 95 % of my comments here. I dont know why he is censorshiping me. Maybe i am to honest ?!
Guest - SenBen (2009-11-20 16:20:23) :
Kasper Immerkjaer:: thank you for your interesting comment. We all know that the right winged & antiturkish & aniislam people invades articles lilke this only to spread out their hate. It is ahonor and a pleasure to read comments from the other side. Respect & regards
Guest - Yannis (2009-11-20 16:11:27) :
Does anyone read what others write on this wall?Did you read Dinos Plassaras' comment?The President of the EU and the foreign minister are not elected but chosen because they do not possess any decision-making power.It is the European Parliament, the EU commission that make the decisions, these two people will be Europe's public relations department.Stop with the nonsense,about democracy and how undemocratic the EU is.They chose these two people to represent Europe's decisions,nothing different than the Secretary General of the UN or the Secretary General of NATO,did you vote for these people my Turkish friends?Then,maybe there is lack of democracy there too.Every EU country has an elected government that makes decisions for them at the EU level, and then there is the EU parliament that produces legislation and EU directives along with the EU commission.The EU President will not decide about Turkey's accession and therefore he is irrelevant to you.Why are you getting so defensive?At the end of the day,if the EU does not want you,you have a plan B as I read,why are you getting so angry?
Guest - @Evren Turk (2009-11-20 16:01:44) :
The EU is a "representative democracy". People vote for politicians who they think would best represent their desires. It is those politicians that decide on raising taxes or not and it was also those choosing the EU-President. What would happen if every single European could vote? The Germans would always win the race as 80 million Germans would always vote for a German president - bad luck for the guys in Malta or Luxembourg. Is that the way it should be?
Guest - From Luxembourg (2009-11-20 14:17:15) :
When I read all the comment here, I wonder why Turkey still tries to become a member of the EU. I have the impression most people in and out of Turkey are opposed to a membership, so why still fighting for it? How about creating a own, a better "EU", with other countries surrounding Turkey? Act as competitors!
Guest - Kasper Immerkjaer (2009-11-20 14:11:10) :
@Niels Joergensen, Judging on your name I believe you´re Danish like me. To be hones I am ashamed of sharing citizenship with you. I think you should come to Istanbul and live for few months and then you might realize the the world is less black and white than you have been told by the Danish Folksparty. 1) Democratic values are NOT Christian values. They were invented in Athens long before God and Jesus were invented 2) Freedom of religion is a democratic value so if democratic values is equal to Christian values then how come that your priest led party is against equality between religions in Denmark 3) Your complain about having your comment checked is stupid. Your comments are also checked in the Danish newspapers - please tell the whole truths without lies. 3) About Cyprus, please read the full story starting from 1960 - Please read about EOKA before you speak further 4) Turks are among the best integrated in Denmark (but we might not belong to Europe) 5) Yes, Turks can question the Quran and there are many different interpretations down here. Something that people like you and Geert Wilders are trying tell is impossible. Last sorry to all those that my fellow citizen has insulted but please notice that he is not the only one who represents Denmark.
Guest - Evren Turk (2009-11-20 14:02:40) :
The president is CHOSEN, NOT ELECTED. Typically undemocratic day for the eu.
Guest - ultraslan (2009-11-20 13:31:37) :
as a turk and student does not want to enter eu . okey.enough .okey
Guest - SenBen (2009-11-20 13:11:41) :
@Calliman: I have no words left, because u have taken them all for your great comment. Thank you for this formidable vision!
Guest - Katie (2009-11-20 12:25:20) :
Von Rompuy may be an unknown, but he has one strong thing in his favour, that being against Turkey joining the EU. Turkey needs to settle down & sort it's self out, not because they want to belong to the EU club [with in my view, dubious intent] but because their people deserve to be treated well. Human rights & women's rights need to be brought out into the 21st century, not in a patronising way, but because it's the right thing to do, women 'are' equal to men & should be valued as such. All this nonsense about the headscarf is just that, nonsense, it flies in the face of both secularism & democracy. Make up your minds, which is it to be , a theocracy or democracy ? By the way, a true secular state does not have wailing & proselytising from hundreds of minarets either. In Turkey there is no way of escaping Islam, it's a dominant presence. There are times when I wonder if Turkey actually understands what a democracy is.
Guest - calliman (2009-11-20 11:48:52) :
Turky. I say to you steer clear of the EU, and maintain your sovereignty. Keep the central banks of Europe out of your country, and maintain your borders. Their is an old saying "control a countrys money and you control the country" The way to help your economy is clear. There is hope. Develope your childrens minds to once again become "creative thinking minds" Invest in ways to increase production of your labor. Protect the working man, and insure that he can take part in the benefits of what he produces. Reward your people for work well done. Create pride in your culture, and improve your humanity. Put in place a "Protectionism policy on trade" and protect your independance. Free trade as espoused by Britain is no more than what it has always been. The means to fill the British Empires pockets, and destroy the territories that it controls. Produce nothing, but take everything a country has to offer. Learn the lessons of history. Study what happened to start world war one beginning with the ousting of Chairman Bismark of Germany in the early 1900's. These minions do not know how to change their approach, and always repeat what has worked in the past. They are not your friends and never have been since the times of the East India Company smuggling Opium to enslave millions, and destroy a country from the inside out. Then instigate other countries to do their bidding and war mongering for them, such as they did to Japan to wage war against Russia and China, and then later to get Russia and France to fight against Germany in WW1 while they sat back and watched and laughed, and then in the end they come in to reap the spoils of the war and imprision the ones left behind with impossible to pay back loans, so that the country is financially enslaved, and all the while beating their chest and patting themselves an the back as the saviors. Well, I say Good luck, and listen well. The ones who do not respect the past, and learn from it, are fated to repeat histories failures. Do Not Join This "Union" of modern day enslavers.
Guest - Calliman (2009-11-20 11:25:42) :
Amazing. Truely Amazing. And the British Empire continues to grow, and become even more visable in the light of day. Do you all not see? Have none of you even remotely studied your histories? You all are making comments concerning a man who is a life long politician who will say anything and be held responsible for nothing he says, as long as he says and does what the Empire tells him to do like the good puppet that he is. It is history repeating itself. Now that the EU "states" and I will use this term lightly have given up all national country sovereignty to the almighty crown and have all given up your abilities to self rule. You now all are decrying about whether Turky should enter the EU? The Ottoman Empire? Part of the Crown, and a royal subject too. Hmm Intersting and amazing. I suggest that you all pull your heads out of your rhetoric filled back pockets, and pull out the history books, and there you will find that all of the EU member states are no more than chattel, no more than slaves to the crown. It will not matter who is President of this Union. The true bidding will come from King Edward Alberts decendants. The ones of whom brought the world all the modern wars, hunger, and oh lets not forget the "designed" global depression. The situation that was created to take advantage of all your fears, and ready you all to freely give all your rights away to your new masters the British bankers, and royalty.
Guest - Niels Jorgensen (2009-11-20 10:38:48) :
Does it really take moore than half an hour to check my note? Maybe BBC is slow, but in most other European countries the message is despalyed instantly. Turkey should really stay out of EU. You would have to change to much, which would not be in favour of most Turks Thank you for commenting. Before we can publish your comment, we need to check that it is in accordance with Turkish laws.
Guest - Niels Jorgensen (2009-11-20 10:34:59) :
@ Turk, which you might be and @ Steven Freedom of speech is fundamentally for democracy. Erdogan wants to limit freedom of speech. You should read the European history. Especially the Enlightning period where the citizens questioned the everything - also the church. Could a Turk question ANYTHING from the Koran? I honestly agree with the many Turks who now have realized that their faith will have a better future in a Turkey outside EU but as a partner. And finally let me correct an error: The Turks is EU is a liability. They cost more thanthey pay the local society. A Turk will roughly cost 250,000 Euros for the EU-country. Mainly because the Turks maintain their culture. The wifes not working, children exits schools without enough knowledge etc. It's immigration on welfare. Therefor is the resistance to membership so big. And in France: Then more Turks in a city the higher the resistance. How do one explain that?
Guest - Niels Jorgensen (2009-11-20 10:06:49) :
Turkey has in the past and present shown that the country is not European. And the muslim religion is an obstacle for peace and prospertity. Look at Cyprus. The North blossomed while under Greek rule, now it has sinked down. Turkey don't even recocnize Cyprus. The Amenian Genocide is still not recognized by Turkey. But worst of all: The Turkish immigrants to EU are the least integrated in EU. How could a whole country with a culture so different from the Christian culture be integrated. Many Turkish immigrant in EU have sided with islamic terror organizations. Finally - to keep it short - has Turkey orited itself to OIC in opposing freedom of speech. Turkey should rather stay islamic as her citizens want and let us in EU persue our happiness in the 21st century, not being blocked by the Korans and Hadid demand for worshippers to be 1.400 years behind. Parnetship yeas Membership never!
Guest - Erden (2009-11-20 09:02:59) :
@ Stephan, "Deny the unproven "Genocide" and receive a fine" That france for you, how does that fit into the EU then? When you comment on the BBC website, " Your comments will be checked by a moderator any inappropriate comments will not be published" If a comment is offensive in any country it will not be published, UK Law says freedom of speech only applies if the comment does not offend etc... so please tell me what you are trying to imply?
Guest - Turk (2009-11-20 08:04:06) :
@stephen and all others opposed to Turkish EU membership. It may come as a surpise to you but a large number and increasingly significant percentage of Turks are growing hostile to the idea of joining the EU. Turks have too frequently been exposed to the xenophobic face of the EU. The EU, as hard as it may try not to be, is and will always be subject to the racist views of some (thankfully minority) of its people. This has certainly been noted by most Turks. Fortunately for Turkey it has seen significant growth in its economic prospects and continues to do so. The EU is facing growing problems including an ageing demographic and severe erosion of its status on the world stage. In the long term it would be to the advantage of the EU to have Turkey join. It may however be too late to persuade a disenchanted Turkish population of the merits of joining a racist club.
Guest - Turk (2009-11-20 02:17:57) :
Europe should choose the Pope as eu president.
Guest - SenBen (2009-11-20 01:47:06) :
It is not important what this second choice thinks and says or thought and said. The way how they have choosen showed us all what is going on in the EU & Brussel. Floor chatter, telephone conferences and sms notes and voila they found the first president of the EUafter weeks. Wow, we undemocratic turks can really learn from this allmighty EU how we must practice democracy. this guy is a shadow , he has nothing to say. He is not important for us. So he can oppose us so often he wants, its doesnt matter.
Guest - hpg (2009-11-20 01:31:44) :
Stephen, you are either a surprisingly brazen liar or you never saw a European site. What is the case? hpg, Germany
Guest - AtheistTurk (2009-11-20 00:04:34) :
Can't believe I'm saying this but I miss Tony Blair, and would have preferred him to this austere nobody.
Guest - Kaya (2009-11-19 23:52:42) :
Of course we are part of Europe. Our history is no less European then Belgiums history is no less European. Its the countries religion which is the only factor here. But, i think it just goes to show how daft this man is. Isnt the EU a multicultural experiment (a failed one at that)?
Guest - Emir Soler (2009-11-19 23:45:21) :
Stephen@ Name me some of your country newspapers on line, so can make a comment
Guest - J Benin (2009-11-19 23:22:19) :
@Stephen "Before we can publish your comment, we need to check that it is in accordance with Turkish laws" The above comment proves that turks do not belong in the EU. Nonsense, read what it says below the comment field. Turkish Press Law just needs to be fixed.
Guest - stephen (2009-11-19 21:53:26) :
"Before we can publish your comment, we need to check that it is in accordance with Turkish laws" The above comment proves that turks do not belong in the EU.
Guest - stephen (2009-11-19 21:52:29) :
"EU's values for me are defined by democracy, freedom to think for yourself, safeguarding human rights etc etc. These are values inherent to humanity" Turkey along with all other muslim countries have an abhorrant attitude towards human rights. human rights is psecifically a christian value, it is not an islamic one. stay out of europe, we dont want you.
Guest - dr p (2009-11-19 18:02:21) :
who better to be eu president than mr van rampuy? i have now learned that confiscatory taxation, homosexuality, zpg, abortion on demand, and worshipping at the feet of the great white government god are christian principles. to top it off, i've now been informed that the european-asian border has been moved eastward, excluding turkey from europe. ps: the verification code i had to use was "reek" - how appropriate!
Guest - aftab khan (2009-11-19 17:05:33) :
"THE Belgian politician poised to become president of Europe was last night dismissed as a clown. ", The Daily Express, London. His own sister Christine Van Rompuy ridiculed him. She "helped to produce a poster showing her brother posing as a clown during a recent election." "An angry campaign against Mr Van Rompuy – a fanatical federalist who wants sweeping tax raising powers – was gaining support yesterday." An economist turned into banker and then into politics and most likely to be elected will grab the half million dollar job.
Guest - verity (2009-11-19 16:10:47) :
Hallelujah...... EU!
Guest - Demir (2009-11-19 15:47:25) :
Wow the how many countries of the EU are getting one president and one foreign policy, supposed to represent them all but in reality will only represent the Britian-France-Germany axis with some saying by Italy and Spain from time to time. It's all going to blow up sooner or later and it won't be pretty when it does!
Guest - Niko (2009-11-19 15:40:56) :
This man was raised by catholic jesuits. This fact alone should explain everything. He obviously sees Europe as a Christian continent.
Guest - Enturk (2009-11-19 14:13:22) :
@another official - your comment "If we ruled out all the politicians that had said awkward things in the past, we'd have a very short list indeed," said another official. Hmmm, so whats that saying about your whole process & the quality of your leaders? EU, does it sound like Introspection time??
Guest - Zonkey (2009-11-19 13:54:26) :
EU's values for me are defined by democracy, freedom to think for yourself, safeguarding human rights etc etc. These are values inherent to humanity. Lets not pretend these are Christian values.
Guest - Dinos Plassaras (2009-11-19 12:59:51) :
Enlargement issues are not the domain of the new president position; his/her views are irrelevant since only the Commission can decide. http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,661595,00.html
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