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Armenian journalist dissects Karabakh in new book

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VERCİHAN ZİFLİOĞLU


Though Armenian-Azerbaijani relations have attracted much scholarly and journalistic attention, one Armenian journalist and author, Tatul Hagopian, believes his new book presents an original approach to understanding and analyzing the drama.

“Gananç u Sev – Arzakhyan Orakir” (Green and Black – Artsakh Diary) focuses on the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region and is the result of Hagopian’s 20-year investigation of the region and is based on countless historical documents, eyewitness accounts and personal observations. 

“The first victim of the war is the truth,” Hagopian told Hürriyet Daily News & Economic in an e-mail interview, borrowing a phrase from Indian-born British author Rudyard Kipling. “I wrote the truth on paper in all its honesty by listening to the voice inside me,” Hagopian said, adding that because he published the book without any outside sponsorship, he could write as he chose.

Nagorno-Karabakh is an enclave in Azerbaijan that has been occupied by Armenian forces since the end of a six-year conflict that left around 30,000 people dead and 1 million displaced before a truce was reached in 1994.

The region unilaterally declared independence but has not been recognized by the international community. The presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan have been negotiating on the issue under mediation from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, or OSCE, but little progress has been made.

Hagopian was in Nagorno-Karabakh just before the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan erupted. He experienced the war firsthand and observed what was happening – sometimes under fire – passing on news to the Azg, or Nation, newspaper he was working for at the time. 

He witnessed tragedies on both the Armenian and the Azerbaijani sides of the conflict. Since then, he has documented countless stories of pain and suffering, met with the families of soldiers who were taken prisoner, talked to friends and relatives of those who went missing and spoken with those maimed by landmines. Based on his research, Hagopian concludes that over 23,000 civilian lives were lost to the war.

Missing part

Even though he endeavored to remain impartial throughout his research, Hagopian admits that his book is missing one key part: Azerbaijani perspectives. “The opinions and points of view of Azerbaijan should be in this research because every conflict has two sides,” the author said.

Hagopian tried to continue his research in Azerbaijan, but his Armenian identity prevented him from overcoming bureaucratic obstacles. He did not let that stop him, however, as he made interviews with Azerbaijanis living near the Armenian border.

In “Green and Black,” Hagopian also argues Russia attempted to block a solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute. In his “Meeting with Gorbachev” chapter, for instance, Hagopian says former Soviet leader and Nobel Peace Prize winner Mikhail Gorbachev told him that Russia forced the problem into a deadlock to look after its own interests.

Hagopian cites details of a meeting between Gorbachev and Silva Gabudigyan, a prominent Armenian intellectual considered by many to be Armenia’s greatest recent poet, which expose how the Nagorno-Karabakh problem was transformed into the gridlock it is today.

In finding a workable solution to the ongoing dispute over Nagorno-Karabakh, Hagopian believes that Russia, the United States and other Western countries should all participate in finding a solution to the problem while negotiations between Azerbaijan and Armenia should continue under watch of international observers.

“If the United States and Russia really want to solve the problem, they should come up with real keys for a solution. Armenia and Azerbaijan will come up with the best solutions by themselves,” he said, adding that a lasting solution can only occur if the two sides continue their dialog. “Unfortunately, however, neither the Armenians nor the Azeris tend to understand each other.” 

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“Gananç u Sev – Arzakhyan Orakir” is currently available only in Armenia but will soon be available abroad in both English and Russian.


 

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Guest - Tugran (2009-11-18 10:15:30) :

I think that this book is a must for being translated into Turkish!!! It should be in Turkish and read by Turkish politicians or ordinary people. So far the Turks have heard only the Azeri side. Armenians need to make the Turks understand what Artsakh (Karabakh) is, what the nature of that conflict is. Otherwise we do indeed sometimes hear extremely illiterate and unforgively stupid remarks about Armenia, Armenians and Artsakh!!! Some Turks think that Armenians really never lived in Karabakh. We all need to talk about this issue to the Turks. Azeris will try to disrupt things, but we have to move forward.


Guest - Cluelessoglu (2009-11-18 04:16:07) :

Araz, there are no Turks to the east of Armenia, only a very confused group of people. There are Azeris to the south of Armenia and these people are Armenia's only Turkic neighbors. There are very few Turks to Armenia's west, there never have been. There are Kurds. And these Kurds may I add were brought there from Iraq a few hundred years ago because some Ottoman sultan thought there were too many Christians around. There are Turks if you go a little bit more west from the Kurds, but don't go to far west! Or else you'll find more confused people.


Guest - Armen (2009-11-18 02:04:19) :

I don't know where Araz took figure of 30,000. If he thinks Armenians and Azeris are the same nation, maybe it will be 30,000. However, Armenians didn't make Sumgait, Baku and Kirivabad massacres. Armenians didn't kill innocent people, all who died, died on the battle field. Also it will be better for Azeris to clarify their identity: who are they, Turks or Aghvans, I think they are different nations too.


Guest - Andrew Hovhannisyan (2009-11-17 21:22:08) :

Cont. Despite of the above blockades and many other efforts to suffocate and internationally isolate Armenia, the small country not only won in the war, but survived, revived its energy infrastructure, and showed double-digit economic growth in several years preceding the Global Crisis. The blockade by Turkey has not produced the desired effect, and turned into years of wasted time, more hostility between the two peoples, and has further damaged Turkey’s international standing. These days, Armenia overproduces electricity, sells it to Georgia and negotiates to sell it to Turkey. Walking in Yerevan, one can easily notice a huge amount of Turkish commodities sold - from clothing, to food and construction materials. Trade hates politics and finds its ways around closed borders. Incidentally, over 24,000 Armenians spent their vacations in Antalia/Alania resorts this year alone, making it one of the most popular foreign destination for Armenians, and thus investing extra cash into Turkey's economy. The entire concept of having the border ineffectively locked between two countries, which are not at a war, and which both want to become part of the European Union and modern civilization appears too archaic and strange these days to be justified by any political considerations. It is time for Turkish government to stop breeding enemies around the country thus making entire generations in Turkey think that the whole world hates them. As many other countries, Turkey has had very dark pages in its past history. The difference is it was hiding them from its inner population for decades, while the entire outside world knew. Crime of Insulting Turkishness? What a more absurd and totalitarian concept can be there. Every Turk should be ashamed of it. You cannot continue truly developing by continuing to suppress and over-control you own peoples and their minds. These are methods of centuries ago. Shake off the burden from your shoulders, open up to yourself and the huge world around you. Some of the recent steps by the Gul and Erdogan's government in the international arena and in domestic policies speak of the growing understanding and positive change. However, to an outside observer it is also clear that the consistency and commitment is not there yet.


Guest - Andrew Hovhannisyan (2009-11-17 21:20:31) :

Cont. While no one needs the war, it will apparently take a few generations to overcome the memories of bloody years, and come to some sort of uneasy consensus on the future of the region. True also, that getting back into Azerbaijan is hardly an acceptable option for the recent generations in Karabagh, who were born in an independent (though not recognized) state, with all its attributes formed years ago – Constitution, Executive and Legislative Governments, its Army and Police, banking and other industrial sectors. Of course, Gharbaghi economy is substantially supported by investments coming from Armenia and aid from Diaspora – but what would you expect? Globalization, and accession to EU with its open borders may be a solution but the sides to the conflict have decades to go to get there. It is also clear that the superpowers will hardly allow an attempt by Azerbaijan to re-capture the region in a full-scale military operation. Time, finding ways to the hearts and minds of each other, truth and negotiations seems the only civilized solution. All the years of the conflict, Azerbaijan did everything to isolate and economically suffocate Armenia. Right at the start of the conflict, it blew up all natural gas pipelines going to Armenia forcing the country to endure several years of strict electricity rationing, collapse of many industries, and enormous hardships. Even part of the international humanitarian assistance to the victims of 1988 Spitak earthquake transiting Azerbaijan to Armenia was destroyed (mostly stolen). Turkey, which initially allowed some humanitarian assistance to Armenia via its border, soon closed it in support of Azerbaijan.


Guest - Andrew Hovhannisyan (2009-11-17 21:19:36) :

Cont. The Gorbachev’ government in Moscow was in complete shock, but soon decided to resort to the only mean it knew – brutal force and propaganda machine – to stop the process and reverse the referendum results. A suppressive military and police campaign followed (Red Army + Azeri police units) , forcing most of the Armenian population out of the region and turning them into refugees. But at the end of it, came the unexpected disintegration of USSR, and the formation of initially paramilitary and then regular own armies by Armenia, Gharabaghi Armenians and Azerbaijan, and then, several years of bloody fights, during which Gharabaghi and Armenia’s forces took control of the Gharabagh, and its Armenian residents were able to return to their homes to continue building the independent state they voted for. In addition, Armenian forces also occupied several districts between Gharabagh and Armenia to provide for a safe passage between the two, shorten and strengthen the front-line, and to later trade these extra “buffer” zone districts for internationally guaranteed peace and independence of Gharabagh. True, this resulted in Azerbaijani population leaving the region and turning into refugees as well, as many thousands of Armenians did in earlier years escaping from cleansing campaign in Gharabagh, and barbaric pogroms/massacres in Sumgait, Baku and other Azeri locations with substantial Armenian population. A ceasefire agreement was reached in 1994. Both countries lost over 13,000 in war casualties, a big number which is still alive in the minds of those who fought and lost their comrades and dear ones. The two internationally recognized principles – the right of the people for self-determination and the right for the integrity of borders here came to face each other, with many years of internationally-mediated negotiations bringing no visible solution.


Guest - Andrew Hovhannisyan (2009-11-17 21:18:43) :

Cont. With Gharabagh, things went in an unexpected way. A few attempts to voice concerns about the fate of Gharabaghi Armenians by dissident groups in Gharabagh and Armenia in 1960s and later, were cruelly suppressed by KGB, with organizers ending in Soviet jails. However, when Gorbachev allowed freedom of speech, the Armenian population of Gharabagh understood it was finally time to speak out and demand justice. Those who followed, know well that in 1988, the region’s government, in response to the demands of the predominant Armenian population and its newly forming local political forces, organized a referendum in which the population (understandably these were the Armenian residents) overwhelmingly voted for independence of Gharabagh from Azerbaijan. It is important to understand that the referendum was organized in strict compliance with the then Soviet constitution, which had all necessary procedures for admin entities of the USSR to leave the Union (but who would dare to even dream of it in pre-Gorbachev times?). The referendum was followed by immediate barbaric attacks by Azeri semi-criminal groups from surrounding villages and so the conflict began. The referendum in Gharabagh raised a wave of natural support in Armenia, with the population taking to streets and demanding to stop atrocities and let the Gharabaghi Armenians to live per their choice. The barbaric way the Azeri attacks were conducted evoked the memory of extermination of Armenian population in Ottoman Turkey in around 1915-1918, and so the passions quickly reached the boiling point.


Guest - Andrew Hovhannisyan (2009-11-17 21:17:19) :

This is simply to give the reader an opportunity to understand Gharabagh conflict and thus better understand what aims Azerbaijan is after and what it is pushing Turkey for. I want to hope that it will not be censored and will be published in full. Nagorno Gharabagh (or Mountaneous Gharabagh to be correct, as Nagorno is a Russian word), an area with historically predominant Armenian population and with one of the former ancient Armenian capitals - Shushi - was, under some irrelevant economic pretext passed, in early 1920s by Stalinist regime to the then newly formed political entity with Turkic (Tatars) and other mixed population – Soviet Azerbaijan (the name was apparently derived from a Turkic populated region in Iran – Aterpatakan). The same happened to another Armenian populated area, Nakhichevan, despite the fact that it was separated from Azerbaijan by the territory of Armenia (?!). These border drawing games by Stalin in these and other regions (under assumption that "who cares about the admin borders between republics as we are one big country – USSR”) turned into a disaster when Soviets started to collapse in late 1980s. Why? Because all the years after this turnover to Azerbaijan, the Azeri government in Baku was covertly oppressing the Armenian population of both territories, forcing them to move out. Those were not tortures or other visible acts – simply, year by year, they were slowly closing Armenian schools, theaters, papers, etc., restricting the use of language, posing systematic obstacles for Armenians to be elected or appointed to any managerial or public positions of importance - in other words, were creating maximum discomfort for the Armenian population. This hidden politics worked well in Nakhichevan - in the course of 70 years of Soviet rule, the once predominant Armenian population there practically entirely left its ancestral lands.


Guest - 7 Hills (2009-11-17 18:55:24) :

@ Araz Dogan - your comment makes you sound ignorant and like an instigator. I think you just want to start a vicious discussion about the Turks and Armenians when in fact. .this is about Armenians and others. Stop being part of the problem and be part of the solution. Instigating this way is not necessary here. Stick to the topic. Anytime Greeks, Turks, Cypriots, Armenians or The Great Wall of China are brought up or offered as a topic.. someone always has something stupid to say. This is not productive.


Guest - Ermeni (2009-11-17 18:52:52) :

I would like to comment to Araz Dogan.1st of all Russia is not our protector. If you are good history, remember the treaty of Kars and Moscow, by which Qarabagh and Nakchivan became part of Azerbaijani Socialist Republic(thanks to Stalin). Secondly, I thank you Turkey for protecting armenians during last 700 years of Ottoman Empire. I guess ethnic cleansing, cultural vandalism and hatred are very good means of protection. Remember the massacres of 1894-1896 in the reign of Abdul Hamid, then from 1915-1923? 3rd about Qarabax. We had enough and in 1988 our ""cup of tolerance got full". More than a century of resisting and living with unjustive, discrimination and pain, our nation displayed its courage and unity. Azerbaijans lost was inevitable, because it is hard for a soldier to fight for something which is not his. In the end, one question. Where were Turkey during the war. Why it didn't help Azerbaijan. I am sure if Turkey really did, the outcome of war would be different. And closing a border as a sign of solidarity to Azerbaijan is ridiculous. The brotherly ties of turkey and azerbaijan are solely based on money(Baku oil and on the idea of Turanism). One short notice, we won the war and we will win it again. So tell the Azeris to forget about Daxliq Qarabax.


Guest - You here that Justice? (2009-11-17 18:30:48) :

The turk is reminding you to be grateful that they took the time out of their busy schedule to subjugate and 'protect' the Armenians. When things got hot, they 'escorted' Armenians out of their ancestral homeland. Don't forget to thank the turks. When our homes and possessions became too much of a burden, the turks were there to alleviate us of that burden. We should thank them. When orphaned children were wandering through Der-Zor, turks and kurds were there to scoop them up, turkifiy them, and make them slaves. Thank you, thank you, thank you. So just to be clear, not only did turks not commit genocide, you should be grateful that the illustrious ottoman empire took the time to conquer your otherwise meaningless people. Thank you Turkey, and sorry for being so ungrateful.


Guest - Tatul Hakobyan (2009-11-17 13:42:44) :

During the Karabakh war Russia took balanced approach towards Armenians and Azeris. Before 1993 in several cases Russia supported Azerbaijan, but if we look to the overall picture we can see that Russia's approach was much more balanced. And one of the myphs of the Karabakh war is that Russia supported Armenia which, I believe, is not close to the reality. From the other hand Turkey supported Azerbaijan economically (closeing Armenia's border), politically and militarily. I strongly believe that Armenia and Karabakh won the war in 1991-1994, because we had no other choice.


Guest - Araz Dogan (2009-11-17 10:31:44) :

Justice, you write: ”the only protector of Armenians are Armenians themselves”, please don’t forget that your protector and your boss is Russia. Not now, but also at 1915’s. This is Russia who plays with you against your neighbours. If you can’t live with Turks, then you have a big problem. Take a map and see at it, at your country and surrounding courtiers. For mention you, east for you is Turks (Azerbaijan), South for you is Turks (Iran, east and west Azerbaijan), and west for you Turks (Turkey). And your only not Turk neighbour is Georgian. Russia is far away from your country, you have to understand it. If you have problem with authorities in Baku, it doesn’t mean that you have to kill over 30.000 innocent people and force over on million to fleet theirs home. Azeri from north (Baku) and from south (Iran) have problem with authorities too, but they don’t kill innocent people for that. Another fact is that, the Ottoman Empire has protected you in more than 700 years; you have to be grateful for that. Ottoman could destroy you totally if they wanted to.


Guest - Justice (2009-11-17 05:35:02) :

The problem with Armenians and Azeris is that Armenians do not accept Azeri rule over their native lands. The reason for that lies in the deeply rooted hatred of Azeris towards the Armenians, demonstrated daily from the lowest to the highest offices in Baku. The Azeris basically do not accept the fundamental right of Armenians to exist, literally, which means any talk of so-called "highest degree of autonomy" today makes no sense. If their were mutual acceptance; meaning Azeris acknowledging a fundamental right of Armenians wanting to live on their native land and Armenians believing in equal treatment as citizens of Azerbaijan, this issue would not have reached the poisonous state that it finds itself today. Armenians, after all, have tasted on their skin what it meant to them to be the citizens of the Ottoman Empire in 1915. To be subjugated by Turkic speaking rulers, in any shape or form, can only mean a certain threat to Armenians' physical existence. The pogroms in 1988-90 on the streets of Ganja, Kirovabad, Sumgait and Baku attest to that reality. Therefore, the only protector of Armenians are Armenians themselves. This should be clear by now to everyone.


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